Aborted lane changes.
Posted on 13. Mar, 2012 by BrentP in Instructional
This is just to address what things typically look like using my driving strategy. When the driver ahead isn’t a clover (or at least a first class clover) and uses his mirrors but makes a bit of an error or is just looking for someone to brake and let him in, he’ll decide not to make the lane change.
These two, because of the vehicles and when they decided to abort their lane changes show it clearly.
It is the exception when someone just pulls over anyway (as shown in other videos). Braking preemptively in both these instances would have likely been considered an invitation and they would have cut in regardless of space available turning it into a needless use of evasive action.
Nice video, nice explanation. We all make mistakes, it’s what you do with them that matters. Clovers keep the mistake going!
I had to check back and see if any driving has improved on here. Nope. Who would expect someone in the right lane traveling 20 mph over the speed limit. Some people never learn. Go kill someone .
They ought to know that Brent would never let you in front of him. If he sees that coming he speeds up so you either get get out of his way, get a car stuck up your rear or he pulls within inches of your bumper and stands on the horn. Some people would let you move over since you were in front of them but not Brent. That is against his religion and needs to be called jerk on the highway. That would have made him delayed on his trip by a second or two. Get a life.
Clover’s rule: Cut everyone else off, it’s their duty to brake and make way!
Some people didn’t grow up in bassackwardstan like you. We believe in real curtsey, where we don’t impose upon other people instead of demanding other people defer to us.
Furthermore, if that second or two is so trivial, why can’t the lane changing drivers simply wait for faster traffic to go by? Huh? You never explain that do you Clover? You’re just a lazy driver who expects everyone else to cater to you and be delayed so you can do whatever you want immediately without delay.
I am not going to argue with someone that does not have a clue. The guy was following your rules in that he stayed in the right lane except to pass. You on the other hand camped out in the left lane. Who is wrong? He wanted to pass earlier but there was a car in front of you that he waited to pass. If there are a hundred cars camped out in the left lane does the guy have to wait a half hour for the line to pass?
I know that is beyond your comprehension.
I was passing Clover. Duh. I have waited for an appropriate gap to pass many times, like here: http://clovercam.com/?p=320
Your words are once again very telling. You expect that others must make way for you. You are essentially declaring that you have the right not to wait for others. Once again we see that your accusations are nothing more than projection of your own feelings on to others.
I note that you still do not answer the question. If that second or two is so trivial, why can’t the lane changing drivers simply wait for faster traffic to go by? Huh? You never explain that do you Clover? You’re just a lazy driver who expects everyone else to cater to you and be delayed so you can do whatever you want immediately without delay.
Brent again you are brain dead. We have no way of telling but there very well may be other drivers behind you. Wait a second or two? The guy may wait a half hour if there are a bunch of drivers like you. In many things such as skiing the guy in front has the right away not the guy that is coming up from behind too fast for safety.
You are the jerk that says others should not slow you down by a second or two but you say that others must wait and be delayed by you or there is hell to pay. What gives you the right to control all others? A jerk is a person that is behind other vehicles but speeds up and pushes other drivers out of the way. You are the controlling jerk.
You did not tell us what you did with those precious 1 to two seconds that you saved by not allowing him as a courtesy to be in front of you. Eric mentions that he is all for volunteerism as a libertarian but from the libertarians that I have seen they are all for themselves and volunteer nothing to anyone, not even a second of your time. Libertarians must all be jerks.
Once again Clover you prove that you expect everyone else to wait except you and your kind. You have no patience. That’s why you accuse everyone else of it. You want other people to avoid you and those like you. You want them not only to be delayed by the initial making of the gap for you but for miles upon miles of being stuck behind you. Why can’t you drive in a manner that doesn’t force others to take evasive action for you? I manage to it and I never have to ‘wait a half hour’ to make a pass. Ever.
BTW, your attempt to distract from your basic hypocrisy is noted. And also there was nobody behind me Clover and he fell in behind me. HAHA!
Brent the guy that was trying to pass was not me. I would have been in one of the right lanes. It is one of your kind that you are trying to piss off. It is not about the other drivers at all. It is about you being a jerk and no way in hell are you going to do anything courteous to other drivers. It is your view that you should treat other drivers like dirt.
Go kill someone.
You’re the one trying to piss someone off. You’re the one who spews insults and trolls. You’re the one that claims a right to cut off other drivers. You’re the one projecting feelings on to others. Maybe it’s time you get deep-sixed here too.
Brent, it was not me that was the first to call you a jerk, I am just repeating the truth.
Go kill someone.
Yeah, that was guy who wanted me to make way for him but who couldn’t bother to so much as use a turn signal and expected me to know which way he wanted to go by magic! In other words, someone just like you.
Brent, go to any driving school that you like and if they say your videos show you as a good driver I will give you a million bucks.
This non-responsive and irrelevant. See how Clover dodges the difficult question of why everyone else should take on delay so those like Clover don’t ever have to wait even two seconds to make a lane change?
Funny how Brent does not want to take the million dollar challenge. How others drive has nothing to do with how poorly you drive. There is never an excuse for driving poorly on purpose. Mistakes can happen but when you do it on purpose you need to be removed from the road.
1) You don’t have a million dollars to pay.
2) You would simply wouldn’t accept my choice of instructors. You’d want someone deeply entrenched in the same ass-backwards system as you.
3) You still cannot and will not answer why you and those like you cannot wait to change lanes.
You have defended one impatient driver after another after another after another demanding that other people, such as myself, preemptively brake or take other evasive action such that they will not be delayed or have to put any effort in. You also defend them not using signals. After all, to use a signal that would take effort and responsibility on their part.
So, why don’t you go out and find a real driving instructor that defends that SUV driver who tried to drive into the side of my car because he couldn’t wait a couple seconds to make a lane change let alone use his mirrors or turn his head and we’ll talk.
If you have to spend hours trying to hunt up someone to back up your driving then you are a poor driver.
Yes I defend the driver in the SUV. If you would be driving correctly it would have been a safe and correct thing to do. Because you say it is your right to drive as fast as you like and break speeding laws it makes it unsafe. Our system of driving and speed limits makes it safe and almost enjoyable to drive without stress. Because of people like you that it is their duty to drive faster and more aggressive than anyone else that causes the problems.
Under any study ever done they show that driving as close to the same speed is the safest and best way to drive. If you are driving the same speed the guy in the other lane can easily change lanes if there is no one across from him. Because there are trucks and other vehicles that do not drive as fast as cars then there is a left lane for passing these slower vehicles.
You still have not told us what you do with those spare few seconds that you get from driving in a dangerous manner? Do you always leave late for appointments that you need to drive in a dangerous manner to make up time?
If you have a mental need to disobey laws then go find something that will not hurt others like leaving your seat belt off.
I don’t have to spend any time. Do you see anyone here taking your side defending these drivers? Nope.
If I would have been driving correctly? I was in my own lane minding my own business when the SUV driver without signal, without checking his mirrors, without looking, changed lanes into the side of my car. You defend this this as acceptable. This laziness. This make the other guy look out for me ass-backwards system. Of course it would be lower stress… lower stress FOR YOU. Because then you wouldn’t have to mind any of the tasks required for driving. You shift the responsibility for your safety on to other people. So what if you don’t signal or look… it’s their fault if there is a collision. The hell with the law too you say in this defense because the law is that the driver who changes lanes must do so safely, not that other people should get the hell out of his way.
Your emoting that driving in a single lane at a constant speed is “aggressive” is just more of your absurdity.
“Under any study ever done they show that driving as close to the same speed is the safest and best way to drive.” There is no such study. Never seen one. Not in 20 years of reading them. If you have one produce one.
What do you do with the time you save by not finding a proper gap to change lanes or turn on to the road, Clover? You’re the impatient one who can’t wait to find a gap in traffic and demands other people get out of the way. What do you do with all this spare time and energy you don’t put into driving? Hmm? Still not answering. What I do with my time is irrelevant. It simply isn’t yours to take for yourself because you don’t want to wait for a gap in traffic and don’t want to put any effort into driving.
You are a joke Brent. “What I do with my time is irrelevant”.
It is not about the time that you need to save because you drive aggressively and with rage every time you leave your driveway.
You always say it is about the things that I do? It is not about me because you have never seen me drive. You enjoy about complaining about my driving when you do not even know how I drive or what I do on the roadway. You are ignorant of such things.
Some of the things that you have shown other drivers do is not correct but do you think all drivers are going to be perfect on the highway? You admit you make mistakes. Actually I have seen dozens of these mistakes you make in your videos but you are still on the highway? Why is that?
Since we agree that people on the highway are not always correct what do we do about it? Do we use guys like Brent to be the enforcers? Do we let people with road rage enforce all the driving mistakes? I think not! But you? Go kill someone!
Rage? That’s all you Clover. Stop projecting your emotions. You have no idea of what my emotional state is. Your guesses are what you project from your own emotions.
I want to know Clover, what do you do with the time and energy saved by transferring the effort to drive on others? Why do you defend a system where safety is derived from others getting out of the way instead of one about not forcing other drivers to take evasive action in the first place?
What you defend has a very high certainty of being what you do. You defend lazy drivers who can’t be bothered to do the basics of driving like checking mirrors or signaling lane changes. It is thus very clear this is highly likely to be something you do.
Enforcers? More of your projection. You are the petty control freak. You are the one who tries to enforce his way on others. You are the one that demands others slow to a clover’s speed, let clovers in, otherwise have clovers enforce and dominate other people. I leave people alone and want to be left alone. When one of your kind decides to practice his domination, his control freakism, on me, if he doesn’t like how I choose to take evasive action it is just tough shit for him. So, if you don’t like how I take evasive action, don’t force me to take evasive action and the problem is solved.
Of course avoiding conflict isn’t what this is about is it Clover? It’s about control and domination. It’s not about time or speed or safety. It’s about showing someone else who is boss. That’s why you emote what you emote over and over again. Have you noticed Clover how most of my videos are with me driving my smallest car and the other person driving a much larger vehicle? I don’t think there is a single one where the other person is driving a vehicle smaller than what I am driving. How could that happen like that?
If it were just “mistakes” we would expect a nice distribution of vehicle size. Why doesn’t go that way? Because it’s as intentional as your defense of it. Bunch of petty control freaks like you demanding others get out of their way because they can’t be bothered with the effort or the wait.
Here is one of the many studies done on differences in speed on the highway but you could care less anyway. You would not change to do what is correct.
http://casr.adelaide.edu.au/speed/vol-1.html#sec2.1
You don’t even know what Solomon & Cirillo is do you? It is one of the key papers for the proven over and over and over again 85th percentile rule. This is not about forcing everyone to drive the same speed. It is showing the safest speed within the distribution to drive. Neither too fast or two slow. There’s simply nothing in here on mandating flattening the speed distribution or even hypothesizing that it would be safer to do so. Stop wasting my time Clover.
When you find something a real paper, not just a review of other papers and creative formulas pulled out of someone’s ass that says the distribution should be flattened to the same speed, let me know.
OK Brent since you are for the 85 percentile rule as you say it then you as one of the stated 15 percent drivers in the fastest part of the curve needs to be ticketed or enforced to be brought down to the 85 percentile speed. If you agree with the 85 percentile rule then you should follow it and not be passing all the other drivers in the right lane.
Clover, you ignoramus, the 85th percentile method states that enforcement should begin at the 90th percentile of free flowing traffic.
I’ve never stated what percentile I drive at. Why do you keep lying Clover?
Also Clover, your kind’s failure to keep right is none of my concern. Why do you want to create a condition where someone like you could just move to the leftmost lane, plant himself there, and then demand nobody pass on the right? Dominance and control. You’re a petty control freak. A disgusting and repugnant individual and I am sick and tired of dealing with you.
Yes we have had enough. I put up a million bucks for you to find a driving instructor to say that you are driving correctly but you are not capable of finding anyone that says your driving is correct.
You don’t have a million dollars. I don’t even want to know what you call “bucks”. Plus why a driving instructor? Because you want someone who licensed and controlled by the government and conditioned to believe the same ass-backwards things you do. How about someone with common sense? Why don’t you find a driving instructor who defends the SUV driver who changes lanes into the side of my car? Oh wait… you won’t.
Why don’t you change lanes without looking or signaling right in front of a semi pulling a fully loaded tanker and see how well he slows down for you and avoids you?
Brent your are ignorant and stupid. I do not change lanes without looking first or signaling but your are too ignorant to know so. We have dozens of examples of your poor driving so you make up things about me that are not true to make yourself feel better. You live a sad life for the need to make up things up about others to offset the bad things that are proven facts about you.
Get it over with and go out and kill someone.
You defend it therefore it is the logical conclusion you do it. If you didn’t do it you wouldn’t defend it.
Clover’s idea of poor driving (because Clover criticizes it): Driving along minding one’s own business staying in the same lane and holding a constant speed.
Clover’s idea of good driving (because Clover defends it): Driving along and changing lanes immediately without signalling, planning ahead, using mirrors, or looking.
If Clover didn’t drive like that there would be no need for Clover to defend it. Clover defends it, ergo Clover drives like that.
Bremt the only way I defend illegal driving is that forgetting a turn signal should not be the death penalty. You do things that are dozens of times worse. Why are you on the road?
In Clover world:
Worse = minding one’s own business maintaining the same lane and speed.
Better= changing lanes impatiently without looking or signaling.
Death Penalty= Where somehow the driver of the smaller car that was minding his own business magically causes the death of the person driving a much bigger vehicle who turned into smaller car driver’s path. This defies the odds which the laws of physics enforce.
In bassackwardstan from where Clover comes to us, the whole world is turned on its head.
As I said I do not defend someone that does not use their turn signal but if it was a mistake I would let it go and if a cop saw it I would not have a problem with them getting a ticket. I do believe that drunk driving and your aggressive road rage driving are 20 times worse. I have seen you get almost get into accidents a few times in your videos but I have not seen the non-use of turn signals to cause any? With those facts who should be removed from the highway?
You lie, and I quote you: “Yes I defend the driver in the SUV.”
So you would make up a law to ticket a driver who his staying in his own lane minding his own business and holding a constant speed and have no problem with a driver who doesn’t bother to signal or make a lane change safely. Not even surprising from you. To you and those like you laws are just tools to use selectively on people you don’t like. And it isn’t the failure to (625 ILCS 5/11-804) part that creates the conflict it’s the failure to follow (625 ILCS 5/11-709)
Ultimately though you are a troll. Both here and on the road. Angering other people defines your existence and petty control freakism is your primary tool.
To continue, if you are a person that does nothing when someone else uses his signal anyway then what good are they? When a guy in front of you uses his signal and you squeeze in and cut him off anyway then what good are they?
(625 ILCS 5/11-709) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-709)
Sec. 11-709. Driving on roadways laned for traffic. Whenever any roadway has been divided into 2 or more clearly marked lanes for traffic the following rules in addition to all others consistent herewith shall apply.
(a) A vehicle shall be driven as nearly as practicable entirely within a single lane and shall not be moved from such lane until the driver has first ascertained that such movement can be made with safety.
(625 ILCS 5/11-804) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-804)
Sec. 11-804. When signal required.
(d) The electric turn signal device required in Section 12-208 of this Act must be used to indicate an intention to turn, change lanes or start from a parallel parked position
Perhaps you should learn to follow the law instead of using might makes right.
Brent you are an idiot. So you want to quote laws. OK, there are speed limit laws, tailgating laws and reckless driving laws also. Post those laws that you seem to leave out.
Let me know when speed alone creates a collision course. Oh wait, it never does.
So once again, we are left with the fact you believe it to be acceptable to make reckless lane changes.
(625 ILCS 5/11-503) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-503)
Sec. 11-503. Reckless driving; aggravated reckless driving.
(a) A person commits reckless driving if he or she:
(1) drives any vehicle with a willful or wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property;
Yep. that describes what you defend alright. Driving with a willful disregard to even check if someone is occupying the space one is changing lanes into.
Brent go get some help. You show all the signs of an aggressive driver with road rage. The same as I have been saying for weeks.
Avoid Aggressive Driving
If you have ever been passed on the wrong side, tailgated, cut off or hemmed in by
another vehicle, you have been the victim of an aggressive driver.
Coping with Aggressive Driving and Road Rage
Aggressive driving includes behaviors such as:
Speeding.
Tailgating.
Failing to yield.
Cutting off other drivers.
Attempting to use a car as a weapon against another driver.
Incidents of aggressive driving and road rage have increased on Illinois roads in recent years. While you can only control your emotions, it is possible to take steps to minimize a confrontation.
Clover, why can’t you keep your thoughts in a single comment post? Is your brain to slow?
What you should be asking is why can’t slower traffic keep right?
BTW, you don’t know my speed, the speed limit, what road it is, or when the video was taken. You just blather forth whatever you ‘feel’ as usual.
You are a true idiot Brent. I do not know your speed? Lets have some logic and you tell me what is wrong about it. There are multiple lanes I would guess as you usually say in the Chicago area. You say no one follows the speed limit. There are multiple lanes and according to the video you were traveling faster than them all in one of the right lanes by a significant amount. Would anyone be stupid enough with such facts to say you were traveling the speed limit?
Go kill someone.
Usual emoting nonsense from Clover. You still don’t know my speed. It could have been wildly less or more than your guess.
And for the last time, I’m not going to change lanes to left because others fail to keep right except to pass. Passing on the right is legal where the video was taken.
Again Brent you are a stupid idiot. Passing is legal on the right? Why do they say the left lane is the passing lane? Sometimes legal does not mean it is correct. You can not make a law for everything an idiot will do. Passing on the right may be OK if for some reason there is a lane problem or something in the left lane or two but passing at 10 to 20 mph faster than other cars in the right lane although maybe not illegal, is frowned upon and dangerous and stupid. What do you do with those 30 extra seconds a day that you save by driving so dangerous and a jerk?
Go kill someone.
It’s not my fault they don’t keep right except to pass. I keep right. Their failure to do so is none of my concern in this situation. Unlike you I am not a control freak trying to set the pace of traffic by getting into the left lane and demanding nobody pass.
Why are you such a control freak Clover? Why are you such a hypocrite? Tell me, why can’t you wait until it is safe to change lanes? What are you going to do with the seconds you spare by forcing other people to avoid you?
Brent you are the control freak. I say be courteous to other drivers. That is not a control freak. A control freak would never say that.
Go kill someone
Courteous is not interfering with others. You want to interfere with others and force them to make way for you. Thus you are not courteous.
Brent go kill someone. Actually the world would be better off if it was you.
Here we see again the evidence of the violence that is behind Clover’s philosophy.
No Brent what your videos show is the world would be better without you. No violence in that statement.
The violence and rage behind what you say is very very clear.
You wish me dead because of all things I refuse to encourage and reward the sort of incompetence and laziness you practice. That’s a clear sign of a very sick and morally repugnant individual.
Brent when you threaten the lives of others and act like a jerk around the rest I would say that is someone that is not benefiting anyone and would be better off not on the highway. Tell me where I am wrong about that?
Someone that continually has run-ins with other drivers that are well documented by yourself is a person that should not be around other people or drivers.
It is all about a competition with you. What do you hope to gain?
Go kill someone.
Here you go again projecting your rage and emotions on to me. I’ve threatened no one. Ever. These people with their much larger vehicles threaten me. They pull out, cut off, etc with the idea that they can just threaten a collision to get their way. To satisfy their impatience. You of course defend their behavior over and over and over again. Why do you defend a style of driving that is essentially ‘me first, fuck you’? You never answer the basic question, why is that you turn the whole order bass ackwards and declare that the driver changing lanes has no responsibility to do so safely but that others must avoid him?
Continually? Not particularly special given where I live, traffic volumes, the amount of driving I do, and the number of years of I’ve taking video. Once again you display your inability to conceptualize the vast amount of boring driving that has been edited away to bring you the few seconds of relevance.
You are simply a lazy, repugnant, violent, emotional person that wants the rest of society to cater to him… or else.
Brent I could care less how many boring hours of driving you have had. If you can not handle it then move. The actions of others no matter if it is against the law or against your ideals gives you no right to drive dangerously and like a jerk around others. If you can not handle the situation then get mental help, or move or get the F—k off the road.
You are the one endorsing driving dangerously. You’re the one endorsing making lane changes and turns with a disregard for safety demanding that other drivers take evasive action. I think you (or at least someone much like you) may be driving the silver/grey car that turns on to the road forcing the red car to take evasive action in this video: http://clovercam.com/?p=443 After all, it might have been a half hour before he could turn so might as well just force his way out and make others avoid, right Clover?
At one time in my life I spent a few years in the Chicago area and on the interstates through it and I did not have a single run-in with another driver and there was not a single time that I had the need to pass someone using the right lane.
It is obvious you have a problem. I could care less about the other drivers you have a problem with. You have to start with yourself first to improve your own driving.
Clover lies again. Unless of course Clover drives 45-55mph and then he wouldn’t be passing anyone. However driving 45-55mph in the right lane has its events as well. So long as someone is driving a speed where he might pass someone, passing on the right is going to happen. What is more indicative of Clover’s lie here is that in rush hour traffic the right lane is often the fastest lane. Well below the posted speed limit but still the fastest lane passing other drivers. Clover is simply a liar.
By “improve” you want people to be submissive to the sort of laziness and impatience that you endorse. You want everyone else to make way for your lazy ass because you cannot be bothered to do the basics of driving. You want other people to take on the responsibility of avoiding you and those like you. Why don’t you learn how to drive such that you don’t need people to actively avoid you? Why do you defend not waiting to make a lane change? Why do you defend just changing lanes when ever a driver feels like it and blaming the other drivers for not making way? How is it safe to create a condition where the other driver has to change course and/or speed to avoid a collision?
When are you going to answer and properly defend your ass-backwards views?
You still do not understand Brent. It is not about other drivers. There are lazy drivers out there, aggressive drivers, law breakers and people that follow the laws. If you can not deal with driving with all kinds of drivers you need to get off the road. You are the class that most needs to be off the road and that is aggressive road ragers that try their best to make the lives of others worse. Time and time again I bring up your poor driving but you say “well this guy did that and there are that kind of driving” etc. You know it does not matter what other people do.
The right lane may be faster because other people are smart enough to leave the right lane for merging and exiting cars. Something you have no concept of.
I was passed the other day going home many miles out of town. When we got to the edge of town I timed how far ahead of me the guy that passed me was and it was 30 seconds. Is 30 seconds of your time worth being a jerk or is 30 seconds of your time worth giving up to be a courteous driver and not endanger others? Is it not worth having someone wave thanks at you for you doing the right thing or is it better to have someone yell out the window at you calling you a jerk?
Another Clover argument for submission. Submission to his kind. The lazy, passive aggressive, and just plain aggressive. It’s about domination. Petty domination at that.
“well this guy did that and there are that kind of driving” I’ve never made such an argument, Clover. You are liar. Why do you have to lie? Because you have no argument of significance.
I was passed the other day going home many miles out of town. When we got to the edge of town I timed how far ahead of me the guy that passed me was and it was 30 seconds. Is 30 seconds of your time worth being a jerk or is 30 seconds of your time worth giving up to be a courteous driver and not endanger others? Is it not worth having someone wave thanks at you for you doing the right thing or is it better to have someone yell out the window at you calling you a jerk?
What difference does it make to you? So he passed you and this makes him a jerk? Because he got ahead? Because you couldn’t dominate him? You’re a petty little control freak Clover.
And being called a jerk by someone like you who cannot even be bothered to use a turn signal, who instead of changing lanes when there was space to do it safely decides instead to play a game of vehicle domination because his was bigger, isn’t going to hurt me one bit. When your kind learns some basic courtesy. The real kind, not the ‘I demand’ kind that you practice, you’ll find things go a lot smoother.
Brent you are ignorant. Your stand is that one of the most severe violations in driving is lack of using a turn signal. My stance is that drunk driving and reckless driving are actually hundreds of times worse or whatever because they cause far more accidents and deaths. You do not even do anything differently when someone uses a turn signal so why is it the most serious driving problems that you know of? I would say your driving is far worse than any non-use of a turn signal. We have seen your actions come very close to accidents.
Go kill someone.
“Your stand is that one of the most severe violations in driving is lack of using a turn signal.”
Can you get through one post without lying? It’s beyond mistakes with you. You’re a liar and a disgusting repugnant person.
My “stand” is that the most severe violation is forcing another driver to take evasive action. Why? Because when that other driver is unable to take evasive action in time a collision occurs.
What you don’t like about my driving is how I choose to take evasive action. You don’t like that it isn’t sufficiently submissive. Well that’s too bad for you, you little petty control freak. Maybe you should realize the roadway is no place for your little games of domination and stop driving recklessly such that other drivers need to take evasive action for you and those like you.
Brent I know you are not submissive. You treat everyone that you see that makes a mistake with road rage. You have yourself said you make mistakes at time. Road rage is not the answer. Road rage builds upon itself until a gun is needed.
Rage is what you feel. You have no evidence of my emotions. Stop projecting.
There are mistakes. The video above shows the behavior of people who make mistakes. The ones that just keep coming after they hear the horn, essentially those who will make no effort to correct what they are doing are not making errors. People want to correct their errors. People who make errors back off or accelerate or do something to mitigate the effect. When they intend to do it or simply disregard others, they just stay firm in their act. There is mistake and there is intent and the difference is very clear. The ones I choose to keep video of in most cases are the ones that show intent and/or disregard for others (usually in favor of their own laziness).
OK Brent. We agree that people do things wrong on the highway and you are most definitely included in that statement. What do you think we should do about it? I do not drive more dangerously because other people make mistakes or do not drive correctly. I do not get close to getting into accidents or confrontations with such people. How about you?
There are mistakes and then there is what you defend, a disregard for others and an backwards system.
When you preach that other people should get out of the way because someone might be making a mistake what you get is people taking advantage of the situation because they now believe that they don’t have to put any effort into driving. They just make their lane change or other move as they see fit and believe that the other guy has to get out of the way. But you already know this because that’s most likely how you drive. You take advantage to lower your work load.
The result is a system of evasive action rather than a system of non-interference. Because it is an evasive action system it is inherently less safe. It puts safety always in the hands of the other guy to avoid.
As to my mistakes they are VERY rare and 99% of them I correct IMMEDIATELY upon realizing it. That means lane changes are aborted, turns are stoped, acceleration is increased, braking is used, what ever it takes so the other driver does not have to take action to avoid me. Get it?
Of course not. That’s too much work for you.
Go to Germany and drive the way the drivers you defend here do. See if you’re well liked.
Again Brent what should we do about it? I say if someone makes a mistake that I should try to avoid it and a possible accident. From what your actions say we should stand our ground and fight it out? Good luck with that one.
Brent from your actions you never did drive in Germany. In Germany they enforce speed limits where they are posted, they enforce tailgating, they also enforce no passing on the right. All of these things you never follow and are proud of it. Maybe what we are lacking is enforcement of laws? Something you disagree with? You can not have it both ways.
Clover, in Germany people don’t drive like you and speed limits are reasonable. When I drove my natural chosen speeds in Germany I found I was routinely about 5kph _UNDER_ the posted limit where they existed. Because people don’t drive like what you defend here, don’t expect other people to avoid them, but instead drive such that others don’t have to take evasive action there are no conflicts. Mistakes are rare. They seem so common to you here in the USA because you and your kind rewarded “mistakes” to the point that people just do it intentionally to avoid the effort of driving properly. In Germany I didn’t see a single driving mistake. Not one. I drove in all sorts of traffic from light to extremely heavy and not once did someone make a mistake. Mistakes are RARE. What we have in the USA is intent and disregard, not mistakes.
Also in Germany there isn’t someone like you blocking the passing lane causing the clogs in traffic that result in the close packing you call tailgating but around here is called ‘normal’. I should get camera for my rear view mirror. That way you can see what real tailgating looks like. But I digress. The point is that life is much easier because people stay out of the way of each other instead of imposing themselves and demanding others take evasive action the way your kind does. They know how not to impose on each other and that’s what makes it wonderful.
Because driving in Germany is centered on getting from A to B efficiently instead petty control feakism, idiocy, and revenue the police presence is very light. I saw one cop on the road in many many miles of driving. I was doing 118mph and not keeping up with him. That’s the beauty of it. None of this control freak BS you and your kind spout and practice day in and day out.
Do about it? Fight it out? WTF? It’s simple Clover, don’t encourage laziness. Expect people to drive well and they’ll drive well and not get into way of others. Instead you teach people that the other always has to yield so many drive in a manner of disregard for other people. Stop the bass-ackwards teaching and mistakes become so very rare and people will strive to correct them instead of pushing the other driver out of the lane or forcing other evasive action as they do now.
Yes Brent your answer to poor driving is poorer and more dangerous driving and road rage.
If the speed limit in Chicago is 55 mph and everyone does at least 60, how fast is fast enough? At 60 mph you can drive from the far south side to the far north side in about a half hour at the speed limit. If you need to drive dangerously and against many laws and safety standards world wide you have a major problem.
Clover once again goes on the troll attack when Clover’s argument is dismantled.
It’s interesting how everything for Clover is framed with regards to Clover’s personal preferences. It’s all about forcing people into Clover’s preferences. It has nothing to do with safety or anything else. It’s just petty control freakism. Even the law can be suspended for what Clover feels is okay. I think that’s what amuses me most about the clover-mind.
These petty opinionated control freaks just get so angry when what they think is “reasonable behavior” gets them nailed by the law. They go to the TV news sometimes and get put on the air. It’s great comedy when they get nailed or hassled by the laws their kind put into place to use against “bad people”. Sadly the lesson is never learned or even understood and they cry and cry and cry about how the ticket, arrest or whatever wasn’t justified because they are good people… the staggering ignorance.
BTW Clover, the speed limit in Chicago is 55mph on the Edens, part of the Dan Ryan, and the Calumet (er Bishop Ford). The rest is 45mph with the exception of the reversibles at 55mph. The Dan Ryan had been 45 to 50 until one got down to like 79th street but with the reconstruction someone somebody screwed up and everything south of Chinatown was signed 55mph.
Had some asshole cut me off today coming home. He was in the right lane and I was coming up fast. Anyhow, he came over. When he did I went into the right lane and passed his ass. Then keep my same speed and when I had the chance moved over to the right lane. He then flew past me at over 100mph. Shit makes me laugh!
That could have been you. You would have done the same thing he did. It is not about clovers, it is about the aggressive jerks that you need to worry about.
You are right!
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.