Turn Lane Clover.
Posted on 01. Apr, 2012 by BrentP in Clover First Class, Lost Clover
A typical clover who can’t be bothered to pay attention or plan ahead. He should have entered the turn lane where it started, but he was too busy not driving. So he flicks on his signal and immediately moves over without even looking, or looked but just did not care well after the turn lane had started.
I’ll guess the former. I guess it is a small blessing that your horn worked.
(a bad driver was only safe until she met another bad driver?) — The Great Gatsby
That clover was safe since it did not meet another clover on the road.
I think you have just coined a scientific theory.
“That clover was safe since it did not meet another clover on the road.”
Absolutely perfect.
Love how the clover didn’t even give a care and just kept pushing through.
As a side note, I was wondering where the party was.
Sounds like in Brent’s car! LoL
Brent go kill someone. The guy or gal was ahead of you, turned on their turn signal but you had to cut them off. You have more run-ins with other drivers in a week than I have in a lifetime. Why was it you were in such a hurry to stop at an intersection anyway?
You are the worst driver I have seen in my life.
Go kill someone.
I’ll answer this one because it is so idiotic.
Riddle me this, troll of the interstate bridge, how does one cut off a vehicle that is -in front- of him?
The black car cuts off the car with the camera. Signals do not change a cut off into valid safe lane change, troll.
Hurry? Car with the camera was slowing per normal driving. Black car nailed the brakes then flipped on the signal and immediately moved left into the lane occupied by the car with the camera. But I understand the distortions of troll vision. Troll vision works by either looking at something and trying to find the way to interpret it to anger another person or by defending the troll lifestyle. That is what trolls do outside the internet to anger people.
Looks like we’ve found another example of how Clover here drives. No reason for anyone to defend this ‘oh my turn’ idiocy unless that is how they drive to troll other drivers or just because they are lazy and don’t want to admit it.
Brent you are blind and dumb. If you call the car out for nailing his brakes you are blind or dumb or both. You tried to cut the guy off. All we can hope is that someone that you piss off is carrying some kind of weapon to get you off the road. You made at least two mistakes in your driving during this confrontation but that is fine with you because you felt the driver pulled over a a half a second too slowly. Get off the road. You are a poor driver. Your aggressive and road rage driving needs to be off the roadway. If you are so good why is it that millions of other drivers have none of the problems that you have? It is because you should not be on the roadway.
Clover, your repeated insults and nonsense exposes you for the kind of person you are.
Cut off? I am turning left. I put my signal on and moved into the turn lane when it started. The other driver is apparently going straight having not entered the turn lane. There is no way any sane person interprets this as me intending to cut him off. I have no intention to return to the lane that goes straight, therefore no intention to cut him off. He is in front of me. He brakes. I catch up. He then cuts me off. Duh. Plain as day.
Why don’t you try driving like the driver of the black car in front of a fully loaded tanker pulling semi-tractor trailer? Test your theory of road manners with a driver who is driving a vehicle that cannot compensate for these dumb moves. Go for it and see who gets the ticket for the resulting collision. Hint: It won’t be the trucker who was occupying the lane you moved into.
Since you won’t do that, the question remains, are you lazy, a troll, or both? I vote for both.
Brent you were 95 percent at fault in this situation. The guy turned his turn signal on well before the left turn lane was even marked. He pulled over before the marking began. You want others to use their turn signals but when in your life did someone else using a turn signal made you change anything about your driving? I call it trying to cut someone off when a guy turns his signal on and you go ahead and pull your front end beside the rear corner of the vehicle and you only stopped because he did not leave you room to continue.
You have to be the worst driver ever. Do you believe your actions are actually good driving? We need you off the road.
1) Your arbitrary blame assignment is because of how you feel about me. You’d say I was 95% at fault if my legally parked car was hit by another driver.
2) No his turn signal was NOT on before the turn lane started. I was already in the turn lane before he put his signal on, one flash before he began his move.
3) Read the rules of the road and the vehicle code. The signal does not mean ‘get the fuck out of the way’. The signal is to show intent, it is still the responsibility of the person making the turn or lane change to do so safely.
4) You have an assbackwards definition of “cut off” like you have an assbackwards definition of everything else. Nobody else on the planet has your troll of idea of “cut off” = “not jamming on the brakes to indulge the impatience of some lazy ass driver who can’t use his mirrors”.
Go back under your bridge or go test your theory of driving with semi truck drivers. Just do the same thing the guy with the black car did to me, with the same spacing, except do it to someone driving a fully loaded semi truck. Preferably a tanker. See how it works out. If you live through that, do the same thing the SUV driver did. You won’t of course. Because you’re just a gutless troll with no principles.
Brent what it comes down to is that millions of people would not have been in the situation that you were in. From looking at your videos you have dozens of run-ins with other drivers that I and hundreds of millions of others do not have. It is your poor driving that is causing all of this. It is your rush to get in front of others even when you have no place to go when you get there. If you can not see how bad your own driving is then how in the hell can you judge others?
Your definition of turn lane I am sure started hundreds of feet back from where it actually starts. Tell us where the marking was that showed the turn lane? It was obvious that it was exactly where he started pulling over. We would all be better off if you were not around.
Clover, I really don’t care what someone who thinks that it is ok to change lanes willy nilly and that everyone else has to get out of their way thinks of my driving, so you might as well save your energy. You have consistently defended rude and lazy driving. The picture that is emerging from your posts is that you are one of these drivers who considers everything behind him irrelevant to his driving. It’s clear that you believe not in the rules of right of way that prevent collisions but instead in a bizzaro world social hierarchy where whomever has the bigger vehicle or which vehicle has its nose further down the road can do whatever they please and everyone else has to get out of their way. It’s rude, it’s lazy, it’s wrong, and what you should also realize, it’s illegal.
The turn lane started where I entered it Clover. I enter it where it starts, that’s why I am there already in the turn lane when he tries to shove his way in. I can’t be in a lane that doesn’t exist. The turn lane begins to open at ~0:02 in the video. Where the yellow line begins to angle over. Only an idiot would think otherwise. Here’s a diagram showing you where turn lanes begin:
It comes from: http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/research/safety/pedbike/05085/chapt15.cfm (see figure 15-11)
Now go test your theory of driving against a fully loaded semi already in a lane so I don’t have to see your drivel any more.
Brent there was no dashed lines shown in the video. The person signaled well in advance of the white line and started the move to the left turn lane before the white line. You were trying to pass before there was an official left turn lane but you do not know how to drive so whatever you think is always correct in your eyes.
Your aggressive driving where you have to pass everyone even when there is a need to stop 75 feet ahead is ignorant and is obvious it leads to dangerous driving situations.
I still can not repeat it often enough that you need to be off the road since you do not seek help with your driving behavior. I and millions of others do not have any of the problems that you have. Your aggressive driving in this situation would have saved you zero amount of time even if you did pass him. Get off the road.
Go kill someone!
Are you an idiot or a troll? Read the bottom of the illustration. dashed lines are optional. The white line is not the start of the lane, the start of the angle is as clearly pointed out in the government illustration shown below. So, are you an idiot who can’t read a simple illustration or a troll who is being contrary? Pick one abd explain yourself Clover. Answer the question.
Need to pass? Another troll by you. I addressed this already. My speed was slowing, the driver of the black car braked because he didn’t know what he was doing. As I pointed out earlier, if he knew what he was doing he would have taken the previous left turn lane to enter the shopping center he entered after turning. Stop wasting my time Clover.
As to your repeated insults, I don’t care. You are a selfish, lazy driver who has a total disregard for anyone behind him/her/it. Now go do what the drivers you have defended have done to me, except you go out and do it to a semi-tractor trailer truck pulling a tanker. Report back if you live. Be sure to scan the ticket you get. Give the driving style the ultimate test by testing it against a vehicle that can’t compensate for your idiocy.
Only one question Brent. Why did you almost hit another driver? 100s of millions of others would not in that situation. Only you! It does not matter to me if there were dashed lines either. The fact is that you should not have started to pass another car until the white solid line and not before and in most cases you do not even pass then until you are close to the intersection. You are going to kill someone with your poor decisions driving.
Are you a troll or an idiot? Answer the question Clover. Which are you?
Are you one of those idiots who brakes because someone in another lane hit the brakes even though there is nothing to brake for? Are you an idiot or a troll? Answer Clover.
You have repeatedly made this ‘argument’ that there should be no passing of people in OTHER lanes. It doesn’t matter what the situation is, you oppose passing. Do you ever pass anyone? Or is it because you’re a control freak and you demand to set the pace of travel? Or are you just a troll, both on the internet and the road?
Brent take a bullet to your head. The guy slowed, not slammed on his brakes, to keep a 2 to 3 second distance between himself and the cars in front of him. LOOK. You need to be off the road if you do not know the difference between slowing and slamming on the brakes. You continue to show us that you are an idiot. If you had kept a 2 or 3 second difference between vehicles there would not even be an event.
The dozen seconds that I mentioned was the driver’s stopped time at the intersection. On your meter it said he stopped at 15 and started at 26. I am waiting for you to say I was off a second or so but only a jerk would say he is right over a 10 percent difference. What was your hurry to stop. You said you were slowing before you almost hit the guy. Slowing in high gear without any brakes does not really count as slowing for a stop ahead. An idiot would cry about being cut off when you should not have been there in the first place. You were trying to get all the sanctification possible out of your drive and that is to speed ahead of someone in front of you. You then got your jollies by coming within inches of the driver in front of you and standing on your horn. We can only hope that if you do that some day the guy has a ball bat in his car.
Notice how Clover’s primary attack is of the social and insult variety.
Notice how when Clover is defeated on one aspect, Clover simply makes up another thing to use. This post is a prime example.
1) I wrote nailed, not slammed. Slammed is a sudden full decel braking, nailed is a brief rapid braking. It is interesting how Clover always must change words, alter context, and lie to form an argument.
2) The stopped time at the intersection is irrelevant.
3) “following distance” is another one of Clover’s creations of fantasy context. Clover has no clue why the driver of the black car hit the brakes suddenly. The most probable reason is that he realized he was missing his turn.
4) “Hurry” is a projection of Clover’s feelings.
5) The issue is being cut off by a driver who has no clue where he is or where he is going and no concern for anyone else who may be on the road.
@clover says: April 10, 2012 at 9:42 pm:
You really need to see that ophthalmologist and psychologist.
The way you twist the world to suit what you want is amazing. I guess you do not let the facts get in the way of telling your fabrication.
Your trolling is still boring, sophomoric and lacking in anything useful to this discussion.
Brent’s quote “He jams on his brakes at 0:03 he begins to cut me off at 0:06.”
That is a quote from a tailgater and law breaker. If you were following at a safe distance of 3 seconds then the 3 seconds that you say it took him to cut you off would have put you right where you said he jammed his brakes and not where you said he cut you off! You broke the law by tailgating. Only a tailgater or a law breaker would have been on the guy’s corner of his car. Only a jerk! I was wrong when I said you were 95 percent responsible. You were 100 percent responsible. The guy had every right to move into the turn lane. It is not his responsibility to look for guys that try to cut him off from making a legal left turn. Take a bullet to your head Brent because it was all your fault in this case. Get some help and driver’s training or mental help. If you say you do not need those then take a bullet to your head.
Clover, you are a rude selfish person who turns everything ass backwards because you are too lazy to do things like look before changing lanes. This driver, like others you defend is a lazy driver who thinks everyone else must actively avoid him instead of him following the law which requires the driver changing lanes or lines of traffic to do so with safety. As to following distance had the driver you defend entered the turn lane where he should have and not jammed on the brakes my following distance would have been what it was at the start of this video. Furthermore, this driver was behind me a few blocks before and came around me after not following your rule of following distance. I was doing the speed limit so you figure it out. You’re defending an inattentive, tailgating, speeder. Why? Because you don’t like me. And that’s what sickens me the most about clovers. The idea that rules are socially flexible to how well someone is liked. This how we end up with a treasury secretary who would be sitting in prison for tax evasion or at least lost most everything he owns in IRS penalties if he had been you or I. And that’s just the least bad of them.
I am growing tired of your ever more abusive posts. I’ve kept it going so you can demonstrate to everyone what a despicable person you are. But it has become very tiresome. You are the one who has repeatedly used violent imagery. You are the one who has repeatedly used belittling language and worse.
So claims a troll.
Show me where the three second rule is written in (a) the Law or (b) drivers manual.
You can go back under your bridge. You really need to see that ophthalmologist and psychologist.
Your trolling is still boring, sophomoric and lacking in anything useful to this discussion.
mithrandir, it does not have to be the 3 second rule. Brent was less than a second. Less than 2 car lengths at I am sure at least 30 mph. That is tailgating in any definition you want to use.
Are you actually Brent with a second ID? You sure do sound like it. Not any brighter for sure.
Following distance rules are for people in the -same- lane.
Now who thinks Clover here drives side by side with other drivers for miles blocking the road?
Clover,
Please answer the question or go back under your bridge.
Your trolling is still boring, sophomoric and lacking in anything useful to this discussion.
@clover says: April 11, 2012 at 1:40 am
Tailgating implies that the two cars are in the same lane.
The only time (in the video) the two cars were within 10 feet of each other was when the black car cut off BrentP.
@BrentP,
I would not be surprised if clover is a LLB and drives in sync with vehicles in adjacent lanes.
Clover,
Your trolling is still boring, sophomoric and lacking anything useful to this discussion.
mithrandir or should I call you Brent, tailgating is not 10 feet from the car in front. Tailgating is if the driver in front needs to make a quick stop can the driver from behind miss him without switching lanes. You can not do that with less than a second of distance between cars.
The Clover shuck and jive.
1) he did brake suddenly. He was not hit.
2) he cut me off. He was not hit.
Why don’t you stab the brake pedal like that and then change lanes in front of a semi tractor trailer truck? Test your theories of driving.
@clover says: April 11, 2012 at 11:24 am
You may call me the grey pilgrim if mithrandir is too difficult to remember.
According to the manual, you are incorrect about tailgating.
From NJ Driver manual: (2012 ch5 p85)
(emphasis added)
When BrentP moved into the left turn lane the black car was no longer in front of him.
Clover,
Please answer the question or go back under your bridge.
Your trolling is still boring, sophomoric and lacking in anything useful to this discussion.
Mithrandir or should I call you Brent, you say
“Tailgating refers to following too closely behind a vehicle directly in front.”
That is exactly what Brent was doing before he started his move towards the left turn lane. If he was not following too closely to begin with he would not have been in the position to mentally need to pass in his little mind.
If you look at the meter on the video it was 3 seconds from the time that Brent started his move left until he had the need to stand on his horn and almost hit the other driver. That may have been OK for a timing if the guy in the front had made a complete stop but he was traveling somewhere around 25 miles per hour after he first applied his brakes. The jerk Brent was following too closely to begin with and that was the major cause of this problem along with his strong need to pass above all else and an even stronger need to show road rage and power over others.
The guy in front had every right to make the left turn but Brent tried his best to cut him off from his right to do so. Brent, or should I say you, is the jerk that said the guy cut him off but it was him that did everything possible to cut the other guy off.
Go kill someone.
You’re lying again Clover.
I’ve been over this. Repeatedly.
You just keep cycling over the same BS over and over. Don’t you get tired of it? You should know by now that no matter what language you use, what lies you write, you won’t get a rise out of me. Your assbackwards definitions do not change reality.
You still refuse to put the driving you defend to the real test, to do it to a driver of a semi truck. Why don’t you go do that? Wait for a semi to enter a turn lane and then jam on the brakes and cut over in front of it.
Brent you are a stupid idiot. You keep bringing up semis. There is zero chance a semi would have been where you were. There is almost zero chance any other driver would have been where you were. You are a jerk. It was 3 seconds from the time you started to move over until the time you were on your horn and almost hit the other driver. That is your fault you were there not his. I repeat that you have to be the worst driver in the world.
Must you keep lying and flinging insults? Because you are a troll. Admit it Clover. You are a troll.
BTW Semis enter turn lanes at the very start all the time. They don’t fit in many if they don’t.
On another note Clover, would you drive like that in front of a cop on the last day of the month?
Brent I have never had a semi tailgate me within a second behind me. Do you say that happens all the time? If you were a safe 2 to 3 seconds behind the car before you moved left then it would be impossible for what happened. It was your illegal driving that caused this. You keep bringing up the laws to me then put yourself in jail.
Semi’s follow closer that I was to that guy at 55mph. They certainly get way closer at an intersection. You’re probably lying here but total ignorance is a possibility.
Illegal? Find the law. I asked you before. You couldn’t. You’re a liar.
Go back under your bridge
Brent you do not even have a clue. Go get help. Semis get closer at intersection? They get closer but they do not get within 2 seconds ever unless it is your kind of poor driver behind the wheel which is very rare and never that I have seen. Yes 2 seconds is closer when you drop your speed down to 10 to 20 mph but it is still a 2 second distance and the speeds were far greater here even after the other driver started slowing.
Tailgating is following too close. One second distance or less is too close to be able to stop when called for. That makes it illegal driving. That is you! Again this incident was impossible if you were driving legally. I know, you say you are always right. You seen someone else do it so you are fine. You do not have a brain.
Go kill someone.
Clover, you become more absurd and less intelligible with each post.
Simply put you have defined “tailgating” in such a way that makes each road effectively one lane in each direction. It is this absurd concept of lazy driving that says to disregard everything that is behind. Like your claim that whomever drives the vehicle with its nose further down the road has right of way to change lanes no matter what. Of course that’s something you made up or an opinion passed down to you. Assbackwards justification for laziness.
Or maybe you’re just another ‘slowest ship in the fleet’ sets the pace socialist/collectivist.
Having a semi in a turn lane pass by when in straight lane is not uncommon. Why don’t you just suddenly change lanes in front of one? Test your theories.
Again Brent tell us what distance that you need to keep at the speed that you were traveling which was somewhere around 30 mph? I know, there is no tailgating in your mind. You make up your own rules of the road. That is why you continuously have confrontations and near accidents with other drivers. Try to follow the laws yourself and see how many confrontations you have. You say that other people that break either government laws or your own made up laws deserve road rage upon then. What do you deserve in these cases where you break the laws and have near accidents if not actually having them that you do not show on your videos.
Same old same old from Clover. The driver ahead nailed his brakes and cut me off and I avoided him. Therefore all aspects of the law were followed. Meanwhile you cannot produce the laws you keep insisting I broke. Why is that? Because the only thing broken is clover-law. The personalized made up word of mouth version of the vehicle code each and every clover follows. Vehicular bicycling really brings it out of a clover. Because vehicular bicycling, that is what is in the vehicle code, is foreign to the clover who by word of mouth believes bicyclists shouldn’t be on the road or take a place in queue or countless other things.
When I converted to vehicular bicycling I found that nearly being killed by an apologetic driver when down to almost zero however confrontations went way up? Why? Because clovers don’t read the law. Following the law increases confrontations because clovers go by a willy-nilly social order of things instead of written rules. This is why clovers get so upset when cops start enforcing written rules to the letter against them instead of just the ‘bad’ people. It’s also why automated enforcement of traffic laws fails every time it is put to a vote. The machines don’t distinguish between ‘good’ and ‘bad’ people.
You say that other people that break either government laws or your own made up laws deserve road rage upon then.
Clover lies again. Clover, do you do this knowing you are lying or do you simply believe your own bullshit until it gets to this point?
Brent you Jerk! Here is a portion of the 2012 Illinois rules of the road. The police can give you a ticket for anything less than this:
Following Distances
Following a vehicle too closely or tailgating is the cause of most rear-end collisions. Use
the three-second rule to determine a safe following distance. Select a fixed object on
the road ahead such as a sign, tree or overpass. When the vehicle ahead of you passes
the object, count “one-thousand-one, one-thousand-two, etc.” You should not reach the
object before you count to one-thousand-three. If you do, you are following too closely.
The three-second rule also applies to your speed when you are on a good road and
during good weather conditions. If the road and/or weather conditions are not good,
increase your following distance even more.
With this information since the driver only slowed slightly as show in the video, it is impossible for you to catch up to him if you were not tailgating to begin with. You were on your horn 3 seconds after you started your move to the left. It just does not matter what you said the other driver did, the confrontation should not have happened and it was all your fault.
That’s not a law Clover, that’s a rule of thumb. Try finding a law.
By the way, the front of his vehicle is at the start of the turn lane at 0:00 in the video. The front of my car reaches that point at 0:03. When he cut me off the rule of thumb no longer applies as we are in different lanes. You lose anyway. Try again.
BTW, why is it 3 seconds now? It used to be 2 when I took driver’s ed. And that car has way better brakes than anything I drove at the time I took driver’s ed. Oh, I know, clovers changed it.
Here you go idiot.
(625 ILCS 5/11-710) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-710)
Sec. 11-710. Following too closely. (a) The driver of a motor vehicle shall not follow another vehicle more closely than is reasonable and prudent, having due regard for the speed of such vehicles and the traffic upon and the condition of the highway.
Since the Illinois Rules of the road states that a safe traveling distance is 3 seconds, I would say that your one second or less following distance can land you in jail. Good luck telling the judge that 3/4 of a second following distance is correct.
The SoS booklet has no weight of law.
I was following at 3 seconds. I passed the same point the black car was at 3 seconds later. Then he hits the brakes, then I am in a different lane, then he cut me off.
He nailed the brakes and I avoided him.
He cut me off and I avoided him.
Therefore the following distance was “reasonable and prudent”.
You lose.
What else can you fabricate, troll?
When are you going to produce the law that says the car with it’s nose further down the road gives the driver right of way?
And you missed this:
(625 ILCS 5/11-804) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-804)
Sec. 11-804. When signal required.
(b) A signal of intention to turn right or left when required must be given continuously during not less than the last 100 feet traveled by the vehicle before turning within a business or residence district, and such signal must be given continuously during not less than the last 200 feet traveled by the vehicle before turning outside a business or residence district.
And this:
(625 ILCS 5/11-709) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-709)
Sec. 11-709. Driving on roadways laned for traffic. Whenever any roadway has been divided into 2 or more clearly marked lanes for traffic the following rules in addition to all others consistent herewith shall apply.
(a) A vehicle shall be driven as nearly as practicable entirely within a single lane and shall not be moved from such lane until the driver has first ascertained that such movement can be made with safety.
Both of which the driver you defend violated.
You lose.
Since when do you follow anything from your drivers ed course? The past 50 years you have been able to lock up your brakes or let up enough not to. How do newer brakes make any quicker stopping? 2 seconds has always been an absolute minimum with 3 seconds always being a recommended distance. You still do not say why 1 second or less is correct? Are your reflexes getting better with age? Do you have a jet reverse thruster? It still comes down to your problem that you have run-ins with other drivers. You are the one that should be put in jail.
Go read a road test some time.
Go learn the mechanical differences between drum and disc brakes.
Go learn the differences between signal and four piston calipers.
Go learn the differences between tires.
Go learn what ABS is.
I don’t have the time to educate you from your position of total ignorance.
And no, it wasn’t always three seconds, Winston Smith. You’re lying or an idiot. It’s clear you are a troll. You lose. Got any other bullshit?
Brent you win. I can not beat someone that makes up his own facts. The facts in the video shows you approximately 30 feet behind the car in front of you before you moved left. If you call that 3 seconds so be it. You can try to tell that to the court when you get thrown in jail for not telling the truth in court. If that is true your speed had to be about 7 miles per hour.
Clover, it’s about time not your absurd distance judgments. Look where the front of the car is. Note the time 0:00. When the front of my car gets there it is 0:03. You just keep on fabricating.
Brent do not talk to me about brakes. Eric and many others say that things like ABS makes no difference in the ability to stop. You can lock up tires with drum brakes so who cares. Tires? You said brakes.
You said you were following at 3 seconds. What are you so worried about brakes if you were driving so safely? Tell us some more lies. We have not had enough yet. When your driving is so poor you have to make up facts to justify it then you need to be off the road.
I didn’t say I was “worried”. I wrote “brakes better”, not brakes. Why do you lie Clover? You lie again and again and again. What is your defect?
Go learn the difference between ‘brakes better’ which I wrote and ‘better brakes’ which you responded to. There’s a big technical difference. Hint: the first one is the entire realm of braking which includes tires, the second one is just the brakes which doesn’t include tires. Your ignorance is so stunning it’s amazing you can breath without some government worker’s help.
I can not help your repeated ignorance and excuses Brent. Front of car to front of car? Time and distance between cars is from the front of your car to the back of the car in front. I can not help your ignorance or constant excuses for your poor driving.
If you look at the meter 0.00 and look to see where the back of his car is and then play and stop when the front of your car reaches the same point and it says 0.01. That is about the time it takes for you to travel the 30 feet or so between your vehicles.
Go and take a bullet to your head because you need to be off the road. You need a certain amount of intelligence to drive and you lack it. You lack even the ability to determine distance and time between vehicles. You cannot get any worse than that.
Clover, what is with the crap like the last paragraph above? Why do you do that? That’s the behavior of bullies and other despicable people. This is your final warning. Any post with crap like that will not be responded to. Understand?
Fact: He nailed the brakes and then cut me off with practically no clearance and I still avoided him. You can try to slice that any way you want, but that makes it “reasonable and prudent”.
Read your own cite:
Select a fixed object on the road ahead such as a sign, tree or overpass. When the vehicle ahead of you passes the object
It says when the vehicle passes the fixed object. Maybe that’s why it’s a second longer than it used to be, to account for the length of the vehicle. But regardless the true test of “reasonable and prudent” is avoiding a collision when a brain-dead clover like yourself drives like crap with a total disregard for anything behind his vehicle’s grill.
Don’t you have anything better to do with your time than troll?
Brent it comes down to reasonable and prudent is the ability to stop behind another driver if the guy in front needs to make an emergency stop. It is when people think like you do that we have the 50 car pileup situations.
It comes down to the fact that it was impossible to have a situation like you had without tailgating. Your excuses that the driver ahead nailed his brakes is beyond stupid. The driver slowed to keep a safe distance from the car in front of him. It is in the video and is non-disputable. The driver in front of you was actually driving better, safer and more by the laws in the state than you were. It is not up to other drivers to Look out for Brent because of his dangerous and law breaking driving. You would need to have 4 sets of eyes around your vehicle trying to figure out what Brent is going to try next.
“The driver slowed to keep a safe distance from the car in front of him.”
You have NO evidence of this. Also it’s patently stupid to jam on the brakes to create following distance. The more logical conclusion is “oh my turn!” because he wasn’t paying attention. Or maybe he thinks like you and it was “road rage”?
“The driver in front of you was actually driving better, safer and more by the laws in the state than you were.”
Except he violated at least two laws and I violated none. There’s probably a third about how he jammed on the brakes too.
“Look out for Brent because of his dangerous and law breaking driving. You would need to have 4 sets of eyes around your vehicle trying to figure out what Brent is going to try next.”
You are the one who defends sudden and random movements Clover. Not me. You defend sudden lane changes cutting off other drivers. You defend sudden nonsensical braking. You have clearly stated a belief that a vehicle with it’s nose further down the road has right of way and has no duty to be concerned with vehicles behind allowing for random movements. Stop projecting your behavior on me.
This is getting really old. Don’t you get tired of repeating the same BS over and over and over again?
Brent are you F0–n blind? The guy did not jam on his brakes. He barely slowed. You can see this in the video. The guy kept a safe following distance you can also see that in the video. If you can not see that you definitely should not be driving.
It still does not matter what you say that other drivers do. It is your responsibility to drive safely and correctly first. You flat out did not in this situation and it caused the near accident. It is impossible for you to have a near accident with another vehicle that you were following 3 seconds before unless he flat out stopped or you were driving illegally. It was evident in the video he was still driving at a very minimum of 20 mph and probably quite a bit more.
You can keep telling lies all you want, the facts are in the video. If this was shown in court to 12 other people they would find you guilty.
The guy did not jam on his brakes. He barely slowed.
He went from ~40 (typical clover 5 over, which is why he passed me) to less than 15mph. That’s a good jab. Why do you keep making stuff up?
The guy kept a safe following distance
When he was behind me he was tailgating and his following distance before jamming on the brakes was shorter than I was following him. Even if you were correct it does not excuse him cutting me off. Stop trying to divert the discussion.
It still does not matter what you say that other drivers do. It is your responsibility to drive safely and correctly first.
I did. To the letter of the law. He didn’t. I don’t follow made up word of mouth social clover law because cops hold me to the letter of the law in most of my cars. If I drove like a clover I would get a ticket every day.
It was evident in the video he was still driving at a very minimum of 20 mph and probably quite a bit more.
Your perception is crap. This situation would have been unchanged if I had been riding my bicycle. In fact I’ve had drivers do this to me while I was bicycling.
Ultimately it is the responsibility of the person changing lanes to do so safely. Something you continually refuse to recognize. Instead you recognize the clover ‘law’ of everyone else has to avoid. Endless congestion and wasted road capacity in order to avoid lazy drivers who just move around willy-nilly without concern to anything behind their car’s A-pillar. What you want is to transfer the responsibility and effort of driving to other people. You want lazy driving where people only bother with what is in front of them. When you transfer the responsibility from not making a move that will cause a “confrontation” to demanding the other person avoid you, you are not being safe. You cannot trust that the other person is going to recognize and react in time. When your safety relies on other drivers avoiding you, you are a dangerous driver. Your whole method of driving relies on other people avoiding and it is therefore fundamentally unsafe.
You can keep telling lies all you want, the facts are in the video. If this was shown in court to 12 other people they would find you guilty.
Only if they were lazy selfish clovers like you Clover.
When are you going to test your theory against a semi?
Again, I offer the challenge. If you can find a driver instructor that says that you were driving correctly in this situation I will give you 1 million US dollars. The instructor also can not be paid off to say that. Good luck in your search.
You don’t have a million dollars, troll.
I expect payment:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_do_you_enter_the_left_turn_lane
Clover,
Your trolling is still boring, sophomoric, and nonproductive.
You need to see an ophthalmologist and a psychiatrist.
Go back under your bridge.
BrentP has the patience of Job to deal with your drivel.
Keep on bringing on the lies Brent. Do you think there is anyone that would believe you after looking at the video? 15 mph? What a joke you are. So you say he passed you. I guess that is why all this happened. You are getting back at the guy. It was not just your tailgating that was the problem but 90% of it was your road rage. That is why you were tailgating the guy to begin with. Go kill yourself because you do not deserve to be on the road with the rest of us. You had the need to pass him back even though there was a need to stop 50 to 75 feet ahead. Again, take a gun to your head because we do not need your kind on the earth or our highways.
It is just too bad we do not have more police on our roadways to get you off of them.
“You are getting back at the guy.”
HAHAHAA! more of Clover’s fantasy world. Clover you are the model of the infantile adult. You can’t separate your own assumptions and fantasy from reality. You do this over and over and over again. You’re the only one who gets his/her/its panties in a bunch over people passing. 95% of your posts seem to center around the theme of ‘how dare someone pass’. Stop projecting your feelings on me. At any time I had more than enough power to pass or prevent him from passing if I had wanted to.
Cops follow me a lot closer than I was following him. So good luck with that idea.
Again, take a gun to your head because we do not need your kind on the earth or our highways.
Wish I had noticed this before I started typing. Learn to behave or you will be removed from the discussion, troll.
We will leave it at that Brent. The laws that you break are what causes most if not all your problems with other drivers. You say that breaking those laws is fine though but if someone else turns their turn signal on a second too late for you or passes a couple of miles per hour too slow for you or many other of your so called major violations in your mind then they deserve the rage of Brent. You are the poorest driver that I have seen and it is a joke that you show it and are proud of your poor driving. It is beyond me.
You say that breaking those laws is fine though but if someone else turns their turn signal on a second too late for you or passes a couple of miles per hour too slow for you or many other of your so called major violations in your mind then they deserve the rage of Brent.
Yet more of Clover’s lies. Or perhaps more of Clover being unable to tell its fantasies from reality.
You’re like a little kid Clover. You can’t tell the difference between what you feel and what is reality. You project things on me and then believe them to be reality. At least it demonstrates that you are a fool.
Speaking of rage, you’re the one repeatedly using violence and emotion in posts. If I were a rageful person your trolling would have gotten results ages ago. You continue to incite a counter attack. You behave like the federal government. You try to anger people over and over and over again hoping that they’ll lash out at you so you can claim to be a victim. Sorry Clover, I am wise to this. You’re a troll and loser.
I can’t tell whether or not the turn signal was on before Brent moved into the left turn lane, but it doesn’t matter. Rules of the road state you to turn on your signal and move in the direction of your indicators AFTER checking that the lane is open for your movement. The indicators are there to give others ADVANCED WARNING OF YOUR INTENTIONS. Turning your signal on and moving at the same time defeats the purpose. Secondly, the driver in the turn lane HAS RIGHT OF WAY. Simple rule of thumb: if the person behind you has to put on the brakes, you merged WRONG.
It was a dick move. The guy should have slowed even more and ducked in behind Brent, or more aggressively, punched it, and gotten in front of Brent when he had more room–traffic permitting.
That would require some forethought and/or consideration.
I agree with your assessment of the driver’s actions.
mithrandir the person pulled over before the left turn signal markings. The traffic was stopped ahead in the left turn lane. Tell us why Brent needed to be in front?
It’s not a question of need, the guy cut me off. Your question should be why could the driver of the black car not wait until I had passed by? Why did he have to be in front so badly he risked a collision to do so? Why do you always side with the impatience, rudeness, and incompetence of the driver making the lane change? Are you one of those drivers who believes whatever is behind him is none of his concern?
Clover,
You need to go back under the bridge and rethink your troll ways. You may also need to see an ophthalmologist.
The black car moved into the left turn lane by cutting off the other car. (This occurred after the left turn lane began)
BrentP needed to make a left turn and moved left as soon as the left turn lane was available. If the black car did a similar action then the black car would have been in front of BrentP and not needed to cut in front of BrentP at the last second.
The black car was driving in the left travel lane, hit the brakes and then decided to get in the left turn lane. In his haste to get to the left turn lane he cut off another car.
The black car looked like an out of town driver that had no clue of where he was going.
he had passed me prior to the video and get this… after he made the left he made another left to turn into a shopping center which had an entrance from a left turn lane just before the video starts. I think the driver was simply not paying attention to the task at hand.
One of the things the driver needed was this and not filled with water:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AAx7UO9Sajk
Only an idiot or a troll pushes his way in front of another driver and then accuses that driver of tailgating. Which one are you, an idiot or a troll? Answer the question.
Which are you brent? You need to push yourself past other drivers on the left, on the right and even when there are not lanes to do so. On the shoulder! Your tailgating and aggressive driving caused all the horn honking that you have done along with missing other drivers by inches. You F—cn do not know how to drive.
You need to see an ophthalmologist.
I bet you really like pharaoh from the Ten Commandments.
(“So let it be written; so let it be done.”)
You dictate and expect the world to comply with your whims.
Go back under your bridge and stay out of the light. Otherwise you may turn to stone.
F- for trolling skill.
So you are a troll, an idiot, a liar and a control freak. You refuse to answer but you’ve proven you are all three with that post.
“push past” from a different lane… and the other driver’s lane is clear ahead to boot! HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
It is pretty evident Brent, I and millions of other people drive with the same drivers that you do. We do not have confrontations and near misses weekly like you do. What does that say about your driving? You like to blame other drivers but you need to look in the mirror when searching out bad drivers.
HAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Your kind has confrontations every day. You just don’t know it because others are usually passive about it and you’re not using your mirrors. You’ve convinced yourself that enabling the same illegal and rude driving you do is the way things are supposed to be. You dodge people like yourself every day, it just doesn’t register with you. But I see it. I see it every day I go out on the roads. Your kind is a special kind of stupid that makes up ‘rules’ as they go along instead of actually reading the rules. Part of that basic laziness.
But the most interesting thing about people like yourself is the anger. It’s kept stored up when it comes to silently dealing with other drivers. But it’s really brought out by vehicular bicycling. Those with made up vehicle codes of their own usually made no place for bicycling to the state’s vehicle code. Upon seeing a bicyclist operating in this manner the anger takes over.
I’ve had your kind try to kill me because I was using what they believed to be their road. The might makes right aspect comes out too. All that stored up anger comes pouring out when your kind encounters someone small enough for them to bully. The reason why you won’t try the driving you defend against a semi tractor trailer is because it’s so much bigger than your car. But a bicyclist, your kind will go on the attack. The rage is almost unchecked in how it pours out. Anger and rage just because the bicyclist is on a road that a clover thinks he shouldn’t be using and certainly not using the way he is. The rage you project on others because it’s in you. How many bicyclists have you killed or run off the road?
I see the anger and control freakism in your words. Over and over again. I can only hope you drive a small vehicle, thus limiting your possible pool of victims. But bicyclists, bicyclists will still be at risk if they run afoul of the rules that exist only in your head. I’m close aren’t I Clover? This is a reason why you don’t like me. I got you pegged. Another reason is that I don’t put up with the crap you do, I just get video of it. The crap that builds up the anger inside you. Day after day sitting in traffic getting out of the way of one driver after another…. the anger builds and builds only to explode on some poor bicyclist who doesn’t know that you have some assbackwards idea of how he should ride and will enforce it with your car.
You know I am right.
Brent go get mental help! You talk about other person’s problems with driving but your need to be aggressive and drive on the edge of being out of control is causing all of your problems. In this situation you tried to pass before there was even any markings for a left turn lane. There was only a widening of the shoulder. In no way were you legal to pass anyone until you were within the white line. Why you need to drive aggressively when the traffic is stopped less than 100 feet in front of you is beyond comprehension.
Go kill someone.
Clover, you’re being a repetitive troll again. Plus you’re a liar. There’s no shoulder on the road in the video and the turn is TO THE LEFT. See the double yellow line? As per the illustration I showed you from the federal government, the institution you worship, the place a turn lane begins is where it starts to open.
And again, no pass was attempted, my speed was dropping but the driver of the black car nailed the brakes and then waited and decided to change lanes. Really go back to troll school.
Brent go get mental help. After reading the end of your last post I now understand. Your feeling that the bicyclist are being hurt by motorists gives you rage and anger so you want to get back at them and that is what you are tying to do. You talk about the innocent driver having anger building up but it is obvious to everyone that you are the one with the anger problem.
Go kill someone.
That’s the best you can come up with? HAHAHAHAHAhAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!
How many bicyclists have you killed with your violent control freak nature? How many Clover?
You fools with your made up ideas of the rules of the road get very very angry when a bicyclist doesn’t keep his “place” as you’ve determined it.
BTW, the way a bicyclist would get back a bully motorists would be to buy a big truck and shove them out of the way. Not drive around in small cars and be shoved out of someone else’s way. That’s the way that tit-for-tat would work. Too bad you don’t have the logic skills to figure that out. You get lamer by the day.
Clover,
You need a psychiatrist in a addition to a ophthalmologist.
You need to relax under your bridge and think about the idiocy you are writing. better yet, you should think about more productive endeavors.
Your need to control others is not healthy. Leave others alone and they may treat you in similar fashion.
(Dom, please delete dup post, type email incorrectly, thanks)
Clover,
You need a psychiatrist in a addition to a ophthalmologist.
You need to relax under your bridge and think about the idiocy you are writing. better yet, you should think about more productive endeavors.
Your need to control others is not healthy. Leave others alone and they may treat you in similar fashion.
Your trolling is boring, sophomoric and lacking in anything useful to this discussion.
Mithrandir just a couple of questions? Do you believe that in this situation every other driver would have run into the same situation that Brent did?
Do you believe it is legal to pass someone where there is not even a full lane yet to do so?
Do you think that Brent should have been in a hurry to stop at the intersection?
Do you think that when the guy turned on his signal well before the left turn lane marking and was proceeding into the left lane before the marking and before the solid white line that he was cutting off Brent? What was he cutting off Brent from, stopping at the intersection?
It is amazing how you project things. I was in no hurry. As I told you before Clover, I was slowing. The clover driving the black car braked suddenly which reduced his speed.
Also, I repeat, the turn lane begins where it starts to open. The line configuration has two options, this lane is option #2, without dashed lines. Your god, The US federal government, says so.
And of course he was cut me off. That’s what it’s called when someone changes lanes close to and in front of, or not quite in front of another driver.
Maybe you should chastise the driver of the black car for wasting fuel. He could have turned into the shopping center he eventually turned into before the video started. Instead he added about a half a block distance and idling for two left turns instead of one.
Brent you are an idiot. It may be fine to start moving over where you did but it was not fine to start passing anyone where you were. There were not officially two lanes yet. Since there were not two full lanes yet it is illegal to pass.
I showed you the illustration from your god, the US federal government. The lane starts where I entered it. Sorry, you lose. Stop making up your own rules and start reading the real ones.
I notice you don’t cite a law. Why? Because you can’t as there isn’t one. BTW, marked lanes are not needed, only lines of traffic. He moved from one line to another recklessly.
If you are so sure you are correct, why don’t you go test it by shoving your way in front of a loaded semi truck?
Brent you are an idiot. From the diagram that you showed us where would you say the legal place to pass someone is? Is it when you see the first dashed line on the right and then you can legally squeeze by and pass? You are an idiot. The dashed lines say that it is fine to merge to the turn lane yet. That is exactly what the driver was doing or at least trying to do before you tried to hit his rear corner panel.
You were the person that almost caused the accident. I know better than to try to squeeze past someone in order to hit my brakes ahead. You say he put his brakes on. Dah, there were cars in front of him and a busy intersection. The guy did not stop, he slowed down in order to make a safe stop.
Go kill someone.
It’s not a pass Clover. I am proceeding in the lane to turn left. I have no intention to go straight and ‘pass’ anyone. My speed is slowing and acceptable for the road. The driver of the black car braked. Then did nothing, then flicked on his turn signal as he moved left. I guess we’ve found yet another aspect of your driving habits. Of course you know it’s wrong, because you won’t put it to the real test, that is using it in traffic with a big heavy vehicle that can’t compensate for it.
In previous posts you called this turn lane with a double yellow line on it’s left edge a “shoulder” which means you are either a complete idiot, blind, a troll, or all three. As you also previously posted there are no lines. Yet now you see dashed lines. What are you? Idiot or Troll?
Again, there is no “squeezing past” anyone. The driver to the right and ahead made no indication of moving left until he did so recklessly. Of course you defend reckless driving each and every time with what amounts to defending driving in a manner that disregards everything behind a driver. That is clear that you believe that whichever driver’s car’s nose is further down the road or heavier has right of way. Or heavier because you refuse to test your the driving you advocate against a semi-tractor-trailer.
Let me know when you can find something in the law that I violated. You won’t because you can’t. That is if weren’t so lazy to not even look. And that’s the core of the matter of people like you who make up rules as you go along. You’re too lazy to actually read the rules. When confronted with being wrong you try to obscure it with one thing after another as you’ve done here.
So either find the law that says the driver of the black car operated legally and I did not, or STFU.
Brent, fine. If you believe you do no wrong but seem to always get into confrontations and near accidents then fine. I know you are wrong and everyone else does also except for your friend mithrandir.
You think you can legally pass someone in the same lane then go for it. I say that when there are no markings on the highway separating lanes then it is considered one lane and the court would rule the same unless there is construction.
I just hope you show us a video of your next accident that you cause if you are still alive.
It’s not the same lane or same line of traffic as by legal definition. Let me know when you find a portion of the real vehicle code that vindicates the driver of black car’s reckless behavior. You won’t because you can’t.
Illinois law as written refers to lines of traffic when there are no pavement markings separating lanes. To change from one line of traffic to another requires the same care as changing lanes. Of course you don’t actually read written laws because that requires effort.
Laws are written for a reason. You just make things up as you go along. You won’t even test your belief against a semi tractor trailer truck. Why not? The written rules, the ones I follow hold up regardless of what the other vehicle is. Yours don’t. Your rules are complex social mish-mash of things you decided were law by observation. That’s why your kind gets so angry with vehicular bicycling. It’s not something your kind has observed often and because of that your kind assumes it to be illegal. Same with bad, sloppy, and lazy driving. You believe that’s the way it should be and because you’re lazy you like passing responsibility to the drivers behind you. After all, using your mirrors is too much effort for you.
Now go drive like the drivers you defend against some big heavy trucks.
Again brent you are stupid and you show it in your driving. I have to laugh at all the confrontations between other vehicles that you say I have. There has not been another car or truck within 25 feet of me except at a stop sign. How about you idiot?
You’re lying again.
Go troll elsewhere.
Let me know when you find a law to support your claims and when you drive like the driver of the black car but instead of forcing another car driver to take evasive action, make a semi tractor trailer truck do it. Be sure to report back on that.
Brent you are brain dead. The only reason for the evasive action needed is because you were tailgating, driving aggressively and you just plain do not know how to drive. You tell others to use their turn signals and the only thing you do when someone uses a turn signal is pull up on the driver’s rear corner and stand on your horn.
Here is a better picture of you from another view:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=5WpkCDgc68s
Notice how Clover trolls. He name calls. Then he calls it tailgating when someone is in a separate lane. Then when informed multiple times that I was turning left he insists that this was passing with the intent to go straight even though the video shows waiting to turn left. Clover has done all of this and more repetitively in an attempt to frustrate, to get an emotional outburst. Clover ups the ante with a video of some jackass going straight from the left turn lane. Clearly meant to inflame. This is how Clover lives life, as a troll.
This last post is quite the display of what a despicable low life of a person Clover is. We can see by what Clover defends and what Clover does here how Clover behaves in person on the road. There is no doubt in my mind that Clover is one of those lazy selfish drivers who expects everyone else to do the work of driving for him/her/it. Not only that, but it is clear Clover gets delight out outbursts of emotion for that is the attempt here over and over again. Imagine how Clover must drive. Intentionally doing rude things over and over and over again just looking for someone to get angry. Like those TV reporters that intentionally drive rudely and then gleefully proclaim the proof of “road rage” as others merely attempt to get where they are going.
Clover,
You have many questions yet you provide very few answers to questions posed to you by others.
Your question is unclear to me. I would think that in the situation above, four things could occur.
1. An accident would occur if both drivers were inattentive. Fortunately BrentP was attentive and able to avoid the inattentive driver at the last moment.
2. What occurred in the video above. BrentP was attentive and able to avoid the inattentive driver at the last moment.
3. The inattentive driver would realize at the last moment that he almost hit someone and aborted his maneuver in time to avoid an accident.
4. A LEO observes the idiot and writes him a ticket.
(In NJ, 39:4–97 Careless driving or 39:4–96 Reckless driving could be a possible ticket to charge the inattentive driver)
If there is no lane for passing then I do not think it is legal for one to pass. In video above BrentP was making a left turn and moved into the left turn lane as so as it was legal. (You really need to see that ophthalmologist.) BrentP was not passing anyone.
BrentP did not appear to be hurrying anywhere. He just reacted to the idiotic action by the other driver. Fortunately an accident did not occur.
According to the video, the guy cut BrentP off. The driver turned his signal on at a late point and immediately (without regard for others) moved to the left turn lane. I do not think it matters why he cut BrentP off. What the guy should have done (if he missed his turn) was to go forward and look for a safe location to make the necessary turns needed to go where he wants to go. He probably was distracted and did not pay attention to his surroundings. A LEO could be understanding, but a LEO would probably still give him a ticket.
Your trolling still is boring, sophomoric and lacking in anything useful to this discussion.
Clover,
That was a funny video you posted. It is not relevant to the discussion, but the video is funny. The product could be illegal in some states, but YMMV.
mithrandir Since when do you and Brent care about laws? Speeding, tailgating, reckless driving, drunk driving and many others you are all for breaking. The guy in the video did not break laws but made a legal move into the left turn lane and even used his turn signal which he did not need to use until he did. He was in front of Brent. The last I heard the guy in front has the right away in a legal sense. It is up to the guy behind not to tailgate and drive in a dangerous and aggressive manner that would cause them to hit. I know that you do not care about the law though.
Brent said himself that he was already slowing down so why would it be that he is incapable of missing the guy? He could only hit the guy if it was his own poor driving that did it. I am not sure if he does it on purpose to get so close to other drivers just for the effect or can anyone be such a poor driver?
The guy in the video did not break laws but made a legal move into the left turn lane and even used his turn signal which he did not need to use until he did.
With this sentence you admit there are two lanes by stating he moved to it. You also make it clear that you know nothing of the law. Lane changes must be signaled ahead of time and must be done safely. Signaling upon moving into a turn lane or after having moved into it is pointless. The signal must be given 100ft before the turn. The turn lane is less than 100ft long so the signal must be given before the turn lane begins.
(625 ILCS 5/11-804) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-804)
Sec. 11-804. When signal required.
(b) A signal of intention to turn right or left when required must be given continuously during not less than the last 100 feet traveled by the vehicle before turning within a business or residence district, and such signal must be given continuously during not less than the last 200 feet traveled by the vehicle before turning outside a business or residence district.
From the IL rules of the road from the SoS:
Changing Lanes
• When moving your vehicle from the right-hand lane to the left-hand lane, turn your
head to check traffic behind you and on your left. Give the left turn signal, then carefully
move into the left lane.
So you lose. Again.
The last I heard the guy in front has the right away in a legal sense.
Clover now admits he follows a made up version of the vehicle code where anyone who is behind is irrelevant so Clover can be a lazy driver and not bother with signals or mirrors. As per the above, no they don’t have the legal right of way to change lanes as they feel like.
This is ignorance is why you are a clover, Clover.
Brent I said the driver made a legal move into the left lane. It was not a complete lane until the solid white line. It is not legal to pass on a partial lane. Would you pass were the lane was only one foot wider? I know. You would. You are like the video that I posted. You would pass where there are no lanes yet.
It goes back to 100s of millions of people would not have had any problems here. It is only Brent that passes at the earliest possible second even when it is not legal to do so. Brent would pass even when it is legal for someone else to move over. Brent is a jerk. He would take pride in cutting the guy off from making a left turn. Brent is a jerk.
Go kill someone.
Again Clover, the lane started where I entered it. The government, who makes the rules says so.
That’s what is utterly amazing about your kind. You’ll violently defend your made up versions of the rules while worshiping government at the same time.
“not legal to pass on a partial lane”
I see once again you cannot cite the law. The reason you don’t cite the law is because the law reads ‘lines of traffic’. One line is turning left. One line is going straight. The driver of the black car is moving from one line to another. (which in this case also happen to be lanes)
As to the rest of your repetitive drivel, it’s been dealt with before. Why don’t drivers like you use their mirrors and signals properly? Why don’t they enter lanes where they begin instead of being half brain dead behind the wheel and not paying attention?
Again Brent you are beyond stupid. Where you say you entered the left turn lane was actually an entrance to the left turn lane. Do you say it is legal to pass as soon as the road started to widen by one foot? Go take a bullet to your head. The world would be better off. Not too many people you can say that about.
Instead of making life better for others you do your best to make life a living hell for others on the highway.
Go kill someone.
Look at the troll language. Always to inflame. That’s how Clover does everything, to anger other people then claim victim status. Did you poke your sibling in the back of the car and then cry for mom when he/she punched you? You’re the kind of person who will fall hook line and sinker for the typical way the US starts a war. It does one thing after another to aggravate another government and then when that government does something it is more than justified doing the federal government claims victim status. And if that other country doesn’t do anything in face of all the provocations the US federal government just creates a pretext, a fake event, an event that sometimes never even happened.
As to where the turn lane starts, see the diagram from the federal government I provided earlier. The turn lane starts where the edge or center line begins to move over. As to passing, I wasn’t passing, he was slowing at a faster rate and you cannot produce a single law that supports your bassackwards views. You just make it up and get angry when other people don’t follow a set of rules that exist only in your head.
Something for you Clover: http://www.jamesaltucher.com/2012/04/how-to-be-less-stupid/
Clover,
You are not adding anything constructive to this discussion. I hope that you will end your trolling ways.
You know Brent I could care less what you say about where the left turn lane starts. You said the guy did not turn into the left turn lane soon enough. Did you start moving into the left turn lane the first millimeter that the lane started widening because if you didn’t it was not soon enough, jerk.
It does not matter what the laws are because you make up your own. If someone passes someone else too slowly by two miles per hour it is an excuse for you to use road rage. If someone turned a few feet later than what you felt then it is an excuse for your road rage.
We known, you take pride in your road rage and get very frustrated when you can not show it. You have had run-ins and near accidents with other drivers that 100s of millions of other drivers would not have all because of your poor driving but you take pride in blaming the other drivers when it was always your fault.
I was right that you should not be on the highway and hundreds of people would be safer and better off if you were not there but your life would be meaningless without your road rage release.
Go kill someone.
*YAWN*
More troll and more insults and more misdirection.
Let me know when you have some verifiable facts to back up arguments. I haven’t made anything up as I have backed up my arguments with cites from the government who is currently the keeper of the road rules. I may not like that they are the keeper of the rules, but that is where the written set of rules is. Meanwhile you just spout unsupported nonsense between your trolling insults.
I could care less what you say about where the left turn lane starts
The proper saying is “couldn’t care less”
And we know you care otherwise you wouldn’t have brought it up repeatedly… or you could admit you’re a troll. That’s the first step of treatment.
BTW, Today the mount broke on my camera so it wasn’t running. I was in the left turn lane on the main road to turn on to the side street upon which I live. As I am about to begin my turn, from the side street another driver pulls out right in front of me and turns left across my path. Now as you don’t know at an intersection without a traffic signal the driver from the minor road does not have right of way. Of course you would twist this all backwards…
Brent you stupid idiot, the next time you speed or tailgate then put yourself in jail because it is those acts that cause 90 percent of your run-ins with other drivers. You do not like those laws because the government wrote them? If you want to make the roads safer for everyone then take a bullet to your head.
Complete and total lack of reading comprehension plus low intellect trolling results in the above.
Re-read it 15 times and you might understand it.
Let me know how testing out driving like the drivers you defend but moving into or in front of a semi tractor trailer truck works out Clover.
You are a joke Brent. A semi would not have been passing in this case. A semi would have been half way in the non-turning lane yet where you tried to run the guy over. That is one clear example that it would not be a full lane yet when a semi would not have fit in it.
You are the one that would have a confrontation with a semi. If he would have done something in your little mind that you thought was wrong then you would have tried your road rage on him. Good luck with that.
Semi tractor trailer trucks enter the turn lanes where they start, where I enter them. The reason being because they won’t get completely into them otherwise and would block the neighboring lane.
Again there was no passing, the driver of the black car jammed on the brakes. Why don’t you go out and jam on the brakes and then swerve immediately in front of a semi in the neighboring lane. See how that works out for you.
Brent go kill yourself. The guy jammed on his brakes? If you jam on your brakes at +30 mph you come to a quick stop. The guy was able to stop at the intersection about a dozen seconds before he was able to turn left. The guy delayed you? You should not be driving if you have those powers of observation. Are you blind as well as dumb? Do you always have to stretch that much to protect your driving reputation. I know, it is poor but your excuses are almost as bad.
Another incoherent rage filled trolling post from Clover.
He jams on his brakes at 0:03 he begins to cut me off at 0:06. In Clover world that’s a “dozen seconds” later HAhAHAHAAHHAAHAHHAAHAhA!
The rest of your babble is yet more projection of your own behavior and characteristics.
If you look at the video you would see the two reasons there was a problem. The idiot with the camera was tailgating, less than 30 feet from the car in front of him and not slowing yet. He should get a ticket and be responsible for any accidents with the car in front of him. Two, had to pass at all costs.
Brent was 100 percent responsible for this near accident. Get the jerk off the road. he said the driver was wrong but it was he that broke traffic laws that caused the problem.
As much as I would like to take credit for the Clover Theory, it was used by F. Scott Fitzgerald in The Great Gatsby (about 1925).
Some people are just very fortunate where events just work for them regardless of the odds.
Its fun for a while to watch this car crash of “dialogue” but Clover can’t back up his points with articulate responses, and I’m now confident it’s 100% troll–bad troll too. I’ve seen some quality troll in my time, and this….this is just sad. I’d actually be interested in some quality dialogue here but meh..the videos are still good.
Hopefully, Clover will add something constructive to this discussion. I hope that Clover will end his trolling ways.
I do not have much hope of this happening based on previous posts by Clover.
I doubt he realizes that by his statement he is agreeing that BrentP entered the left turn lane. I guess even a broken clock cab be right once in a while.
mithrandir, tell me what the width of a standard lane is? That will answer your question if this was a lane or not when the road started to widen.
The true problem in all of this is Brent. He is the one that caused the problem with his tailgating and then the need to pass at all costs and then the opportunity to show road rage. If Brent was driving legally it would have been impossible for this to happen.
I was driving legally. Your friend in the black car made at least two violations.
You were driving legally in your mind Brent but you pick and chose your laws and do your own interpretation. The fact is that you were responsible for this confrontation all because you broke laws, I could care less if you dismiss your violations. The facts are the facts. You say if only people would use their turn signals there would be no problem. That could not be farther from the truth. When someone turns their signal on in front of you, that is your time to change your speed and driving to try to cut them off. It was evident here.
You can’t find a single law I broke. You fail. The driver of the black car broke at least two. I stopped looking after that. Grow up and stop expecting the world to adjust to you because you are lazy.
Brent are you truly that ignorant or do you just like to make things up for arguments sake?
Stop projecting Clover. Really why do you lie so much?
Brent I gave you the tailgating law that you did break that was the main contributor to this run-in along with your aggressive road rage driving but the tailgating law was beyond your comprehensive ability. You are too stupid.
I wasn’t tailgating. The law is “reasonable and prudent” I avoided with a large margin when he nailed the brakes therefore complying with the law. When he cut me off I was in another lane. I have cited two laws he broke. I have cited that one is supposed to enter the turn lane before where he did. You have cited nothing of value.
I can see where you are coming from Brent. “reasonable and prudent” for you is severe road rage. Reasonable and prudent for an insane person like you can mean anything.
Your trolls get lamer by the day.