Posted on 13. Jun, 2012 by BrentP in Clover First Class
Typical backwards consideration is a contributing factor to a collision.
Sorry, I forgot, the white car was not in the right lane, that was a road shoulder and not a lane at all.
Editor’s note: Insult deleted.
Yeah. So? What do you expect someone to do when a truck just stops for no apparent reason in lane?
That was a non sequitur.
Are you knowledgeable about Russian traffic laws?
I know that in some countries it is permissible to travel on the shoulder lane. (I do not know the case for Russia)
mithrandir/Brent, I just do not care if it is permissible to pass on the shoulder. Do you think it is Ok to pass on the shoulder by 30 mph or more faster than the car or truck it is passing? I guess you think that is a good thing. I think you do not have a clue about driving “safely”! I agree that it is fine to pass on the shoulder in this case. What I disagree with it is the fact that it was driving like Brent does.
Notice how Clover:
a) does not address the point. (whether passing on the shoulder at any speed is a good idea or not does not make the ass-backwards courtesy any less of a contributing and causing factor)
c) makes a personal attack through lying.
Why should this post by Clover be any different from most of her other posts?
Remember Клевер является как клевер делает. Clover Clover is like doing.
Using google translate is fun.
Brent misses the point that it does not matter in this case if it was legal to pass on the shoulder or that there was a courtesy driver. The fact is that if it is legal or not you should be driving slower on the shoulder of the road. The fact is that if you see cars in front of you then you should be slowing down. The car in white did everything wrong possible. (trolling deleted)
Clover, you neglect cause and effect relationships. Nobody would have chosen to drive on the shoulder if the truck driver had not nonsensically stopped in the travel lane.
When I am bicycling people driving do ‘favors’ for me like this on occasion. I have to wave them by and sometimes they won’t take the hint. I know someone I may not see until it is too late will try to go around or just use the other travel lane. It’s ass backwards courtesy that disrupts traffic and causes a hazardous condition.
So looking at the video closer it looks like that was a rest area of some kind that the two vehicles were turning into. How do you know it is not a requirement for the truck driver to stop and allow them over there? Would it be better to have them clog up the lane they are in until they have an opening of a couple of hundred feet? That could take a long time. It looks like what they did was a common thing to do. It still goes back to the fact that the driver of the white car is a very poor driver just like one of the guys that shows videos on here all the time.
How do you know it is not a requirement for the truck driver to stop and allow them over there?
I do not know. It did appear from the video that the vehicles were making a U-turn and not turning to the side of the road were the other vehicles were parked.
How do you know it was a rest area? (although it could be a good guess) There were other vehicles traveling on the shoulder.
The van and the car behind it appear to be in a left turn lane that is separate from regular traffic flow.
The rest is your conjecture and a cheap shot at someone else on this site.
mithrandi I guess I am just a little smarter and that is why I know this was a rest area. If you would have noticed there are solid lines on the right lane and they switch to dashed lines. What does that tell you? It tells me that you can cross with caution. There is also pavement going into the area. In the USA we commonly have a rest area on both sides but it is evident they do not do that all the time in Russia to save money.
The car and the van flashed their headlights. That may have been a clue that the vehicles wanted to be let in, possibly because they would be waiting forever with the stream of cars going by at very slow speeds. The traffic was flowing very slowly ahead so it is possible these may be vehicles to help others in an accident or whatever because we will never know. The only thing definite in this video is that the car white was not driving correctly for the situation no matter if a car or van was turning ahead or not. Aggressive drivers like that always cause a lot more accidents. That is why we need to get a guy we know off the highway.
More speculation, assumptions, and veiled attacks.
You are improving your game as troll, but you are not demonstrating any knowledge of Russian traffic laws. A cite of how you know what you state would be appreciated.
mithrandir from what I have read Russians usually do not follow a lot of traffic laws. So when you bring it up that I am not quoting enough of what the traffic laws are then who cares? The white car was driving aggressively and that caused an accident. Get that into your head and the rest of your discussion is pretty much worthless.
If you are saying that Russians do not follow many traffic laws than all the more reason for the truck not to stop in the middle of the road and create an even more risky driving environment.
If the truck did not stop in the middle of the road none of the rest would have happened. The truck stopping set everything else into motion.
mithrandi OK. if the truck was not there in the first place or the van was not there and if whatever there would not have been an accident.
The fact is that the white car was in the accident and I and almost everyone else would not have caused an accident in the same situation. The fact is that if it had been driving as fast as all the other cars that were driving on the shoulder it would not have been in an accident or caused it.
You can argue all you want but the white car was the one that caused the accident and should have prevented it. There may be millions of things you disagree with on the highway but it is your responsibility as a driver to avoid accidents by driving correctly. The white car did not drive correctly because it was driving way to fast given what was happening on the entire highway at the time.
I have had enough of you. I would tell you what I think about your intelligence but it would get deleted anyway.
Have a happy Fathers Day.
We will talk on other topics since I think continuing to talk on this topic is no longer productive.
I think not. Anyone that caters to and promotes aggressive drivers that cause accidents and particularly with road rage are not worth talking to. You blame the innocent people and back the people that should be in jail. I am out of here.
We will see.
Leave it to Clover to come up with something incredibly ass backwards.
If was a rest area, then it is to be expected that shoulder would be in use to get to and from it.
In the US under normal conditions passing on the shoulder is not permitted. I cannot speak knowledgeably about other countries (Russia in this case). I know that has not stopped you from spouting your opinion.
In NJ, passing on the right is permitted if done safely. From the video it seemed that the white vehicle (WV) was passing appropriately given that the truck stopped in the middle of the roadway. I do not know how fast the WV was traveling. I do not think that the yellow van making a U-turn helped the situation. Although I admit I am not knowledgeable about Russian traffic laws.
The truck stopping on the roadway to be kind to the van was at the same time being inconsiderate to those behind him. If the truck did not stop this accident could have been avoided.
Most of your post is an verbal attack with little facts to back up your assertions.
You do seem to have difficulty deciding who you wish to address in several of your posts.
I’ll ask a second time:
mithrandir/Brent you do not have a clue of how to drive. There was obviously an accident or something going on for all this to happen in the first place so only an idiot would not slow down. All cars were slowed except for Brent who was flying by on the shoulder. The driver was an idiot. Did you happen to look at the video? It was a driver just like Brent. He saw cars were ahead of him and absolutely no evasive action was taken. Just plow right ahead and blame someone else. I do not care if the truck was stopped or not. It was immaterial to the car crashing into the other vehicle because he was driving well over 30 mph on the shoulder of the road and did not slow when he had to see the car in front of him pulling in front of him well ahead and when he saw the bus he drove right into it. That was a driver exactly like Brent. We need to get those drivers off the road. It is the drivers responsibility to drive correctly so he does not crash into someone.
Notice how when Clover has no facts, imagination goes to work and a bunch of lies are created to substitute for a lack of facts. From this imaginary condition Clover creates a sort of half-assed argument. However an argument based on lies is simply crap.
I advise the editor to delete these posts in the future.
I’ll ask a third time:
(deleted) who cares what the laws are? The fact is that it was stupid aggressive driving that caused the accident. Why was it that only the white car passed at a higher speed? (deleted) Those kind of drivers cause far more accidents than anyone else. (deleted)
Editor’s note: Various trolling deleted.
From your response, I take it as admission that you are not knowledgeable about Russian traffic laws. I am not knowledgeable about Russian traffic laws either.
Laws generally provide a framework for what is considered acceptable behavior in a society/country. If we ignore the traffic laws then we could have a very chaotic driving environment. This does not necessarily mean people will die in large numbers, but it could be very difficult for people to operate in such conditions until they become acclimated to the norms of driving in a given area.
The truck stopping in a traffic lane created this chaotic situation.
The white vehicle (WV) and van could not see each other due to the truck between them. They met as shown in the video.
Could the WV have avoided the van if it went slower? Perhaps, but if the van was traveling slower they still could have bumped into each other. Perhaps if they were traveling more slowly they could have stopped running into each other in time. Although by traveling more slowly the van could have risked being a sitting duck for another vehicle.
Should the WV have passed on the shoulder? Based on the results no. Based on Russian traffic laws, maybe depending on the wording of their law. Although just because something is legal does not mean it should be done. The truck should not have stopped in the middle of the road.
mithrandi, during a major traffic accident or some other major disturbance on the roadway Trucks Do stop. Cars do and very well should slow down. Show me which of the other vehicles that passed the truck that would have hit the bus? The fact here is that without an aggressive driver following no safety practices there would have been no accident. Aggressive drivers that do their own thing cause a huge amount of accidents.
If you had looked at the video the white car driver should have been able to see at least the car on the other side of the bus pulling onto the edge of the shoulder. At minimum the driver should have been slowing for that anyway. This goes to show that aggressive divers do not have a clue when to slow down. They cause a huge amount of our accidents and major ones at that. Brent has driven like this many many times in the videos. That is why I think we need him off the road.
From the video I can not show you other vehicles that pass the stopped truck.
If the car did not pass he would not have been hit by the van.
If the van did not make a U-turn when he did he would not have been hit by the car.
The truck stopping in the middle of the road contributed to this accident occurring.
Brent has driven like this many many times in the videos. That is why I think we need him off the road.
The attack on BrentP is not needed. From the videos I have seen your assertion about BrentP is false.
Who is this we you refer to in your last sentence?
mithrandi, you keep asking me about Russian traffic laws. Explain what difference it makes what the traffic laws were in this case? Dangerous driving is dangerous driving no matter if they are following the laws or not. Do you really think the white car was following the law and the truck driver was not and that is what caused the accident? All I know is that if I was the one passing the truck on the shoulder in this case there is a zero chance that I would have caused an accident. With that said, who was wrong in the video?
That is classic cloverism.
My driving instructor reprimanded me when I wanted to stop to let another car make a left. He told me it would cause more trouble than it was worth. It was nice to think of the driver trying to make the left, but I was not thinking of the other drivers. I could not control the others drivers either and make them stop. I still remember that even though it was more than 20 years ago.
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