Mr. & Mrs. Clover
Posted on 08. Jul, 2012 by BrentP in Clover First Class, The Senile Citizen
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The Clovers took their Cadillac out tonight. Trouble is they have no clue how the road is structured. The inner turn lane immediately splits into two lanes, one goes straight the other becomes a right turn lane. See attached image. The Clovers took the black path. I took the red path. The Clovers at ~21-22 seconds into the video honk their horn at me. I stopped to have a talk to the Clovers. They stated I was going to cut in front of them…. My right turn signal was on. I was going to the store on the right. I told them to go back around and count the lanes. My voice is the only one on the video so keeping the exchange was pointless.
Were you kind enough to let them know they are clovers?
This is the best ever. Another Brent. Aggressive road rage driver like you have never seen except for possibly Brent. A complete jerk whose aggressive driving causes most of the problem. Yes other people were driving poorly and aggressively and at least one was stopped by the cops which that is the way it should be. That still does not excuse the poor aggressive driving done by the guy in the video. He should not be driving. He also has his kids in the car at times when he was showing off his road rage. Good example to his kids how to drive? NO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pv2SDZDjog0
That was the wrong link. There are a number of videos on youtube on bad drivers from Portland. I do not know which was the original I saw but it was much better than some of the rest. Basically it is this young guy using his horn every 5 minutes. Why is it not worn out? It does show a lot of drivers running red lights, wonder why cities have gone to red light cameras then he shows it pretty well. The rest of the time it shows aggressive drivers where he complains and uses his horn all the time but it is OK for him to speed which causes much of the problem confrontations with other drivers.
I didn’t use my horn in this video, dumbass. Your clover brethren did. Also you again spout unsupported insulting BS.
Where’s the million dollars you owe me?
Clover, where is a proof of this music video having any relevance? Oh wait, you have none. You’re just insulting lying piece of dung.
Just informed them of the number of lanes.
Simple speeding is safe. Maybe?
Although I’m not an expert in these matters like you, this looks like a tire blowout to me.
Really dom? Yes a simple blowout or whatever that was at 55 mph or even 65 mph would probably have caused the car to hit the guard rail. Traveling at 80 mph or more causes you to hit the guard rail and if you are still alive, you bounce all the way back into traffic and get hit again. At 55 mph there is about a 99% chance or more that the person is still alive.
Speed makes no difference? You can say what you want to say but you would be wrong.
You are right, if only it was 79.99 miles an hour he would have walked away. Glad to have an expert like yourself here helping see and understand clearly. I feel I have my own personal NSTB agent. You the mang!
Clover, a blow at 55mph can and does send cars into the guard rail. 55mph blowouts do kill. The fatal aspect was being hit by the big vehicle with the camera in the roof of the car. It was survivable up to that point.
You really are an incredibly child like (a mean, despicable child) in that you don’t know anything but how repeat government edicts. There is nothing magical about 14.75232 hectometer/minute. See how it loses it’s magic in different units? 55mph is a number pulled out of the ass of Joan Claybrook or someone much like her. There is no special meaning. There is more than enough energy at 55mph to lose control in a blow and careen into a guard rail and bounce off.
I would figure you were an idiot Brent. Actually traveling a little slower the car that had the blowout may have not lost control at all. A Car with a low center of gravity can safely withstand a blowout in most cases. Yes even 5 mph difference in hitting that guard rail would be a huge difference. Make that 20 mph difference and it is probably the difference between some vehicle damage and a death sentence. I would think an engineer would understand that unless you are an engineer that picks up trash.
Clover. Put down the crack pipe. 55mph is more than enough to put a car into a spin or a violent change of direction with a blow out. There is nothing magical about 55mph. Just something people who cannot think for themselves bring out as some sort of magic number. I know first hand what a blow at 55mph does.
Again in that video of yours the fatal part was being hit by the vehicle with the camera.
Plus his speed probably wasn’t more than about 60mph anyway.
Here is a blow out under controlled conditions at 60mph. Loss of control, easily enough to hit a guard rail.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m_9-9aphss
Where’s the million dollars you owe me?
What is your degree in? What do you do with it?
Are you an idiot or a troll?
Thanks Brent for the link. It shows exactly what I said. Yes you can lose control with a blow out or whatever at 60 mph but you do not fly across 3 lanes of traffic and then back again 3 lanes off a guard rail. That happens if you are going 80 mph or more. Tell us Brent what would happen if a guy in front of you lost control even at 60 mph when you are tailgating at less than a second behind him. Dead meat if it wasn’t for the lower 60 mph speed in which it would reduce the force you hit the guy. What difference in force would that be mechanical engineer? What happens if everyone followed as closely as you? The answer is a 50 car pile-up.
I am not sure if the guy even had a tire blowout. The dirt and smoke or whatever came from the center of the car. It could have been as simple as he was driving fast enough that the tire or whatever was kicked up by the front of his car and then lifted the back of the car off the ground and he lost control. The chances that there was enough force to do that traveling just 15 mph slower could have meant no loss of control. Tell us Brent what the difference in energy/force is traveling just 15 mph slower? Even I know that it is probably enough difference to show no loss of control at all. Please Brent tell us there is no difference in force with higher speeds! We want to see what kind of degree you really have.
Yes if you want to be about 100% safe the speed selected would be in the 30 mph area on the interstate. Since everyone believes that a very small amount of risk, the speed limit is higher than that. At 55 mph the death rate with a modern vehicle would be very close to zero but significantly higher that at 30 mph. For every mph faster that you travel past the 55 mph increases you chances of an accident and death increase significantly. I have seen no statistics and it would be impossible to get exact numbers but I would guess that at 80 mph your chances of death on the highway compared to 55 mph would be about 20 times if not even more. Tell us Brent how that is wrong. Tell us how you have to drive 80 mph driving down to the store a mile or two down the interstate and cut people off for that matter.
Clover, are you an idiot or a troll? At 55mph. Keeping a car in the same lane under anything but ideal circumstances, and the video is controlled ideal circumstances, is practically impossible and in the video the lane was not maintained. Why do you reply to something old? Why is it that you take so long to fabricate another bullshit response such that you didn’t address it in your prior response? Are you a troll? Answer the question.
You don’t know the speed of the vehicle in the chinese video and neither do I. Odds are he would have still been hit by the large vehicle that had the camera one way or another, and that is what was fatal. He would not have maintained his lane at 55mph given that the tire blew out while he was making a steering input to avoid the debris.
I’ll take not crashing at 80mph over crashing at 30mph. What you neglect is that post crash damage is not the only factor. And yes, even in a modern car 55mph is more than fast enough to be fatal when a bus or truck smashes into a car. 55mph is more than enough to move over a lane and put one into the path of a bus. 55mph is more than enough to move over two lanes and bounce back off a guard rail.
From where does your authority to point a gun at someone’s head and make him obey your edicts come from Clover?
Where’s the million dollars you owe me?
What is your degree in and what do you use it for?
This has nothing to do with speed. The tire of the car blew out after hitting road debris.
If you want to avoid something like this by going slow, never exceed 10mph. When a tire blows out it does not take much speed to send a vehicle out of control if it happens at the wrong instance. Attempting to avoid the debris and not being successful like set the car up for going out of control.
Brent what kind of a degree do you have? What happens when you increase speed let us say by 10 mph increments? Yes the blow out at 10 mph would have shown no difference and no crash. Driving 20 mph you could say the same thing. 55 mph the guy may lose control but probably would not have had enough speed left to hit the guard rail. Tell us what your expertise is that it really does not matter what speed you are going because you will be killed unless it is at 10 mph? That sounds like a degree that is not worth the paper it is written on. That sure does not sound like someone we would want on our roads and for sure no one would call a good driver.
Traveling slower does not only mean you may avoid hitting something but if you do hit something your chances of survival is vastly improved for every 5 mph slower you are traveling. Tell us the mechanical engineering fact that says that is wrong? You are a dangerous idiot that should not be driving.
I am not doing repeats for you Clover. You haven’t answered my questions:
Are you an idiot or a troll?
What is your degree in? How do you use it?
Where is the million dollars you owe me?
What speed do you drive at?
From where does your right to point a gun at other people and make them follow your opinions come from?
I will repeat one thing for you. 55mph is more than fast to be deadly. 55mph is more than fast enough to bounce off a barrier back into traffic when the barrier is designed to redirect vehicles back on to the roadway. Limited access highways are not for driving 20mph or some other absurdly low speed just in case some rare event occurs.
If travel where determined by possible crash damage we would all drive golf carts.
We want to hear the exchange! For one you are a jerk and need to kill yourself. Every driver on the roadway can not anticipate a difference in roads until they see it if they do not use it every day. Second I believe it is your attempt to cut another car off. They had a turn signal on but the jerk Brent cut them off. You said you never get in anyone’s way! You always have to tailgate so you are in position to cut someone off! Someone needs to use their road rage on you because again you were wrong.
Take a bullet to your head. It is almost impossible to have as many confrontations as you! You were turning to go to the store around the corner! What was your need to speed and cut someone off when you had seconds left on your trip? You have a major problem! Go get help or kill yourself please.
We need to get more police on our roads to get rid of aggressive drivers with road rage. Does anyone disagree?
Notice Clover’s violence laced insulting rant.
Clover, they went straight from the second light. I passed them in a separate lane as seen above before the second light.
I turned right. If they don’t know the road they have no business laying on the horn, which as I recall you say is a sign of road rage. No wonder, it is more of your projection.
You can’t hear what they said on the video. So there is no exchange to be heard. Only me telling them there are three lanes.
Million dollars? Where is the person that supports your driving?
I have a the safe driver accident free for my insurance. Someone puts that on there. Where’s the million dollars?
Brent again it is your aggressive driving that is the problem. You started passing them when they still had their right turn signal on. You were passing them even before there were any road markings that there were two lanes. Tell me with those facts where you were correct in what you did? The only other facts here is that you need to be off the road and at a minimum seek mental help. You say you do not get in anyone’s way but it is obvious that you often do. With that said that you get in other people’s way, what road rage are we going to put on you? I would still like to here what you told them exactly. You complain about other drivers but you are the only one in all the videos that you have shown that needs to be removed from our roadways. I would tell you to go find a race track if you want to drive fast but that is not what you are looking for. You get your joys from getting other people mad at you on the highway and get joy at showing your road rage on them or cut them off. Did you have fun doing this video? You have a problem.
The road markings start immediately. See jpg. Do you just make this shit up as you go along to troll or are you just an idiot? Really. Answer. Are you a troll or an idiot or both?
The failure of their car’s signal to cancel is irrelevant.
They honked when I was well past them. Considering there was no collision about to occur they were simply expressing rage that I had passed them, if I am to use clover notions of horn use it gets even worse.
They went straight from the 2nd light.
Those are the facts. You live in a fantasy world where facts aren’t allowed, only perceptions.
It seems to me that you think that passing should not be allowed ever. That everyone should move at the speed of the slowest driver. That the concept of lanes doesn’t matter to you. That all roads should be treated as one lane. It’s pretty clear you don’t like it that anyone in another lane might get ahead of someone else.
I wasn’t in anyone’s way you retarded troll. They were in the middle lane. They went straight. I was in the right lane. I turned right. Do you not understand the concept of lanes? I suppose you don’t.
I am driving below the speed limit in this video.
Where is the evidence of your accusation I cut people off? You have none. You’re a lying despicable troll. Produce the evidence now or STFU. Also didn’t you say you were leaving this site? Another lie.
My evidence that you cut people off is in this video and many others. In your your picture above the first marking on the road that it splits into two lanes is 100 feet past where you show it spitting into two. You started passing well before that 100 feet distance. You were in effect splitting a lane with another car. What state is that legal in? The people probably went straight at the next light because you had already cut them off and probably wanted to get as far away from you as possible.
We want to hear what you told them!
This video? Nobody was cut off in this video. You’ve got to be a troll. Nobody can be this stupid and breath. Natural selection would have had people like you eaten by sabertooth tigers or something.
I repeat:
I already told you what I told them. There are three lanes.
They honked when the lane I was in became a turn lane, several hundred feet from where it opened.
The lane is fully formed at the end of the turn. I passed them after they had completed the turn. A normal person can see the hash marks when I start the pass!
Illinois is lines of traffic. Even if I passed them in the turn, it’s absolutely legal to do so, because two lines of traffic exist in the turn.
(625 ILCS 5/11-704) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-704)
Sec. 11-704. When overtaking on the right is permitted. (a) The driver of a vehicle with 3 or more wheels may overtake and pass upon the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:
1. When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;
2. Upon a roadway with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width for two or more lines of vehicles moving lawfully in the direction being traveled by the overtaking vehicle.
This is the last time I’ll repeat myself.
Where’s the million dollars you owe me? Weren’t you leaving this site? You’re a liar. Always. Troll.
Brent you are a liar. The video and picture clearly shows you were passing before the extra lane marking.
Your other statement about Illinois legal passing laws states that for one the vehicle in front has to be making a left turn. I know you are stupid but I would think even you would not believe the driver was making a left turn and even had the right turn signal on. Do you really think that it is legal to pass other cars just because they do not take up the entire lane and you can squeeze by?
The next thing is that you were trying to cut the driver off. The car started moving over to the right and you hit the gas. I hope you are proud of yourself.
The last item is that we need to see the rest of the video! If you do not show that you are a jerk.
You are blind.
You can’t read.
You are a proven liar.
You have no relevant expertise.
With each post you concoct a different fantasy version of events. Always false.
STFU until you can actually support your accusations.
Until then you are nothing more than idiot and a troll.
Clover, Learn how to read. The conditions listed are or not and. Go call up the whole section. Oh what hell, you’re too dumb and lazy to find it. Here:
(625 ILCS 5/11-704) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-704)
Sec. 11-704. When overtaking on the right is permitted. (a) The driver of a vehicle with 3 or more wheels may overtake and pass upon the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:
1. When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;
2. Upon a roadway with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width for two or more lines of vehicles moving lawfully in the direction being traveled by the overtaking vehicle.
3. Upon a one-way street, or upon any roadway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement, where the roadway is free from obstructions and of sufficient width for 2 or more lines of moving vehicles.
(b) The driver of a 2 wheeled vehicle may not pass upon the right of any other vehicle proceeding in the same direction unless the unobstructed pavement to the right of the vehicle being passed is of a width of not less than 8 feet.
(c) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle upon the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. Such movement shall not be made by driving off the roadway.
(Source: P.A. 84-873.)
Anyway, they were in front of me. If they wanted to be in the right lane they would have chosen that, not the left. Secondly their protest was way after the fact if you were even close to being correct. If they wanted to change lanes they would have done so. You’re full of shit. It used to be fun to see what kind of bullshit you would come up with for every video. But you’re such a mean and despicable person it’s not fun anymore. You need some serious correction. You need what you do and wish upon others.
The reality is that they were pissed off about being passed and thought the store was closed because they are old clovers who aren’t used to the fact that stores are open later now than they were in 1952. They figured I was going to go straight and would move over into their lane as mine became a turn lane. This fits the timing of their sounding of the horn. They are clovers and project their behavior and what they would do. Clovers don’t shop after 9pm so they couldn’t comprehend that I was going to the store. Of course this requires logic, not dumbfuck trolling cloverism.
BTW, their turn signal shuts off at 13 seconds. My pass begins at 15 seconds. GFYS Clover.
Brent tell us what kind of grades you got in grade school? Did you ever make it to college? Personally I have never seen someone as brainless as you.
Your vehicle code states the driver in front has to be making a left hand turn. I understand that you think if any of those numbers are correct that you can pass but you are wrong. A normal interstate road is 16 feet with some wider. If a driver is on the left side of the lane there is at least 8 feet left over on the right. Are you an idiot to think it is legal to pass a car on the right of his lane while you are both driving down the road? Yes a stupid idiot would think that. I would bet 100% that the police would pull you over if they seen you do it.
The driver was mad at you because you passed where you should not have passed, you sped up by stepping on the gas to get across from the car and then you slowed down to block him from moving over! What part of that is correct driving to you? That is what an aggressive guy with with road rage would do that gets his joy out of making life hell for others.
Are you and idiot or a troll?
Each point is separate. It’s an ‘or’. 1) or 2) or 3). Are you and idiot or a troll?
The overhead view clearly shows I was in a separate lane when I passed. Are you an idiot or a troll?
A cop around here would have used the outer turn lane and cut over in front of them.
Across? WTF are you smoking? Are you and idiot or a troll?
I braked because they A) Honked. B) the light changed to red. Are you an idiot or a troll?
Answer the question. Are you an idiot or a troll?
Where’s the million dollars you owe me?
“Brent tell us what kind of grades you got in grade school? Did you ever make it to college?”
Umm… BrentP is a mechanical engineer!
Eric I’m pretty sure has a master’s degree.
I have a AA in automotive technology and three ASE certifications. A BS in business administration with a focus in IT and minor in philosophy.
Seems the only one without credentials is you…
dom, I have multiple college degrees with almost a 4.0 average. Yes I think I did get 2 Bs while I was going to school full time and working 20 to 30 hours a week. I guess it goes to show that degrees do not mean much since Brent is incapable of reading and making sense of a simple traffic law? What kind of an engineer would be incapable of that? I guess the one that says that Cs get degrees?
Clover, you are the one reading it wrong. These are a list of conditions. ‘or’ is assumed. When it is ‘and’ the word ‘and’ is written.
Let’s look at another part of the same section of vehicle code:
(625 ILCS 5/11-701) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-701)
Sec. 11-701. Drive on right side of roadway – Exceptions.
(a) Upon all roadways of sufficient width a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows:
1. When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing such movements;
2. When an obstruction exists making it necessary to drive to the left of the center of the roadway; provided, any person so doing shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles traveling in the proper direction upon the unobstructed portion of the roadway within such distance as to constitute an immediate hazard;
3. Upon a roadway divided into 3 marked lanes for traffic under the rules applicable thereon;
4. Upon a roadway restricted to one way traffic;
5. Whenever there is a single track paved road on one side of the public highway and 2 vehicles meet thereon, the driver on whose right is the wider shoulder shall give the right-of-way on such pavement to the other vehicle.
Interpret that as ‘and’ between numbered points and it doesn’t make sense. It’s because ‘or’ is assumed. Are you an idiot or a troll?
Oh since we are dick measuring, BSME (Honors), MSMAE. I am also self taught in various blue collar arts from plumbing to auto mechanics. What sort of lame liberal arts degree do you have Clover? And what do you do with that lame degree of yours?
Where’s the million dollars you owe me?
OK Brent since you say you are the expert at mechanical engineering then what is the difference in force a person would experience hitting the guard rail at 25 mph and 50 mph? What is the chance that a person would lose control at 55 mph and at 80 mph hitting a very small obstruction as the above video? What is the chance that they would both bounce off the guard rail and back into the lanes of traffic at both speeds? We will see what kind of mechanical engineer you really are. I know the difference do you?
You know, a mail order degree which you say you have is not worth the paper in my estimation. It is a very poor school if they pass you with no common sense. I have real degrees at highly accredited schools. Actually my dad never went to college and was 10 times smarter than you. He had horse sense and I got that from him. We both were not like Eric and friends that say a thousand words and there are no facts or common sense in any of it.
Explain your “625 ILCS 5/11-701″ statement? Explain to me how a person with a mechanical engineer degree with honors can not even understand a simple law or statement? You are so stupid you do not belong on the roadway. Yes that law was to read as an “OR”. That is because they wrote “Drive on right side of roadway – Exceptions.” Exceptions means more than one or as you stated “OR”.
Do you have some kind of mental disease where there is almost nothing left?
Clover, the idea is not to crash in the first place. That means keeping one’s car in good condition etc. However, sometimes shit happens. If you want to drive to make these very rare circumstances ‘safe’, stay off limited access highways. Because if you want to drive such that a blow out is “safe” don’t exceed 20mph. 55mph is more than fast enough to be deadly. Even 20mph can send a car into another lane with a blowout at the wrong moment in time.
If you remember basic physics… oh wait you never took it in the first place, some energy is absorbed by what is hit and the rest causes the bounce off it. A car going 55mph has more than enough energy such that the portion not absorbed by the guard rail and the car’s structure could bounce it back 15-20 feet depending on the angle of the collision. In fact a properly designed road barrier will return a a vehicle to the roadway. It will be sufficiently rigid that most of the energy will bounce the car back towards the road. This is considered safer because the barrier usually prevents the vehicle from going into oncoming traffic, trees, ditches, bodies of water, and other hazards. Energy absorbing barriers that bring a vehicle to a stop are usually one time use and much more expensive. Hence they are used sparingly.
I suspect that you have some mainstream media bullshit written by people with a lesser understanding of physics than you. So here, I found a lecture for you:
http://blip.tv/rludlow/mit-physics-1-lecture-16-collisions-elastic-and-ineslastic-center-of-mass-frame-of-reference-814281
The obstruction if it had not caused a tire to fail would not have caused a loss of control. I hit a hunk of tire months ago. Another driver swerved to avoid a piece and to avoid him I ended up hitting one. No damage. No loss of control. The tire blow out caused the loss of control.
Your reliance on insult is a statement to the lack of your intelligence. Also the way you repeatedly divert into personal attack. What is your degree in? How do you use it? You refuse to answer. Doesn’t matter. I know it’s a degree in bullshit. Maybe a degree in trolling. Certainly not one in old fashion debate where people don’t rely on insult. You argue like a classic member of american team ‘D’, by insult and personal attack. Hence the high likelihood of your degree being in some form of liberal arts bullshit.
As to the law, yes, it’s written exactly like the other portion. Introduced with a plural (conditions, exceptions). The numbered instances are ‘or’. Good to finally see you have figured something out.
Where’s the million dollars you owe me?
Are you an idiot or a troll?
Brent tell us how you even know that the tire blew out? It looked to me that the dirt and dust came from the center of the car. I would guess at the speed he was traveling that it was possible the object was kicked up by the front of his car, hit the back and bottom of the car hard enough to lift it off the ground causing him to lose control. I saw no sign of a blown tire.
The speed limit in Chicago in Chicago is 55 mph. You say most drive faster than that. Tell us why? Is an extra 5 minutes across town going to kill you? Will driving 85 mph down the road and having a blowout or get bumped in the back of your car or whatever have a good chance of killing you and the dozens of cars around you? What mechanical engineer with a brain would say that there is a chance you could get killed driving 55 mph so 85 mph in heavy traffic is fine? Tell us Brent.
We are waiting and waiting to hear and see the rest of the video you left off. Are you too chicken to show what happened?
Notice how the troll Clover creates a new fiction to divert from the prior dead ends.
Troll Clover, go search other copies of that video. It is listed as a blow out. Or you could simply pause the video when the rear left tire is clearly visible right in front of the bus and see it is blown out.
The rest of your post is trolling at its purest. The biggest hazard on Chicago area limited access highways are the drivers who drive like you, the drivers you time and time again defend here. Blowouts are exceedingly rare.
Again, post crash damage is not the only factor. You are so childish and simplistic and such a parrot that it would be impossible to reach you even if if you weren’t a troll. You lie continuously creating arguments I did not make. So, Clover, GFYS.
You want to see what happened?
Here:
http://youtu.be/0EGF6sX3-8M
I turned right. Now STFU.
When are you going to answer my questions?
What is your degree in? How do you use it?
Where is the million dollars you owe me?
Are you an idiot or a troll?
Therefore: Clover is a government employee paid to troll this site!
Who are the trolls here? My name is on the web site? Brent you are looking for your million dollars. You have not come up with a single person that says your driving is correct. You said yourself that you have been in accidents. We have seen your poor driving. The only person to say that your driving is correct would be the place where you got your worthless degree.
Not your name. The mentality you would represent, troll.
Yes Clover, my parked car has been hit. I’ve been rear ended while stopped at traffic lights, etc and so on. I get an accident free discount on my insurance. Someone determines I am a safe driver for that discount. I get a safe driver renewal on my driver’s license. The state says so. Where’s the million dollars?
Brent you are an idiot. You say I owe you a million dollars because the state and your insurance company says so. What an idiot you are. If the state had enough money to have some cops on our highways the state and your insurance company would put you in jail and cancel your insurance policy. Just because you have not been caught how you drive does not mean you are a good driver. A guy that robs banks is not a good person just because the cops have not found him yet.
Look at Clover weasel and squirm. Fact of the matter is that I have a clean record, both with the SoS and the insurance cartel. You lost the bet. Now you are weaseling. Not that I expected you to pay. You’re a despicable liar and troll so you’re weaseling out of a bet you made is of no surprise. At least you made it clearer what sort of person you are.
Yes Brent sure. You are so stupid you do not even know how to fulfill the bet. I said you would win if an expert drivers education instructor looked at your videos and said that was good driving on your part. The chances of that happening are a -1000%. What that means is they would call the cops and get a bunch of them to throw your ass in jail.
You have been wrong on every video you have shown lately. You say someone else did something wrong so it does not matter what you did. What is your IQ about 5? Damn you are stupid.
Poor Clover. You stated ‘someone’ more than once. Initially you stated the weasel word of ‘expert’, but changed it. But that’s just it. You’re a weasel. You just won’t accept whomever says I drive well. You’ll just come up with some reason why that person or institution is not an “expert”. I only played along so you expose yourself for what you are. You have done so.
You continue to use insults as if I care. I am continually amused by how you display your poor character, ignorance, and stupidity.