More entitlement rage.
Posted on 19. Jul, 2012 by BrentP in Aggressive, Clover First Class
These Russian videos cover so many situations.
A trucker blocks a selfish shoulder passer who becomes enraged.
Amazing how entitled these people become when most are submissive to them.
The car driver’s attitude might explain the bandage on his hand. The driver’s actions are not defensible.
Yes either driver is a Brent. The truck driver is not going to let anyone break the law and is the enforcer of such laws. The mini-van is the enforcer for guys cutting him off and if the bat is not enough then guns are next.
This is one of the best videos that shows that we need to get the aggressive drivers off the road that make up their own laws and where road rage rules. This is the best acknowledgment that we need a police force on our roads so we do not let the road rage get out of control.
We need to get the guys like Brent off the road!
Except one thing, if we were to assign roles from this video I would be the trucker. You have repeatedly argued I should yield to law breaking clovers like this guy passing on the shoulder. Your hypocrisy and troll nature is showing again.
No Brent you would more likely be the guy in the SUV. Just cutting someone off is not enough for you. You do not get enough satisfaction from that. You are the kind of driver that would cut off someone and get the ball bat out. If someone cuts you off like the truck did you would be furious. I doubt if a ball bat would be enough for you if someone so blatantly cut you off. You make your own lanes daily and blame others for getting in your way when you should not be there in the first place. The SUV in this situation would respond just like you do saying he saw someone else pass on the shoulder so it is legal to do so. Getting a ball bat out is OK in your mind because someone did something you though in your little pea brain was wrong.
Where is the proof for your charges, Troll?
Yep. None. You pulled it out of your ass.
I’ll tell you a little secret: I’ve blocked shoulder passers in the past.
Watch as blocking shoulder passers is to go from heroic to criminal in Clovers next post.
It does not surprise me that you are a shoulder blocker Brent. You would have a mental melt down if you felt someone was taking advantage of you. I really doubt that you would just try to block someone shoulder passer. You would attempt to run them off the road.
Clover behaves as predicted.
A masterpiece! I love it…
All the proof I need is in the videos. I dare you to take the videos to the police and see what they and the courts would say. I would like to see a jury trial of you so that 12 people get the satisfaction of putting you in jail.
How about this Clover. See what the driver of the white car did to me in the recent video? You go do that to a cop. Just cut him off without a signal. Let me know how it turns out.
Brent, tell us what law is it that says that if someone else does something wrong that you then have the right to endanger them and the other dozen cars around you and break many laws doing it? Tell us Brent, what is that law?
Mang, you don’t stop. It’s obvious to us all (including yourself) that you are a complete coward and pussy. Just because you’re able type your gibberish on a site does not make you more of a man. At the end of the day, no matter how much shit you talk, you will still be a coward and pussy! Saying stupid shit on websites will not change your condition, it’s terminal! It’s amazing what a fucking clown you are. I think the only reason people don’t kick your ass on a daily basis is because they know you’re a retard.
OK Dom, Do you agree with the way that Brent drives? Do you agree with extreme road rage and encourage it?
Is that what libertarians are all about? They have the right to endanger and make the lives of others a hell but don’t touch them? They have rights to be jerks?
My videos by and large are of me driving along minding my own business when someone decides to endanger me. Decides to threaten me with a collision unless I take action to avoid it. You defend each and every one of these drivers who think they are entitled to threaten me with a collision. You use insult and violent language. Anyone who reads these exchanges is going to see the reality of the situation, that you are a raging violent jerk.
Drop dead Brent. Your videos are of you showing that you are one of the worst most dangerous drivers on this planet.
You say you have an excuse to drive poorly and dangerously because someone else did something wrong. There is no excuse for driving poorly and dangerously at any time! You have the right to make a citizens arrest. Take down their plate and get a look at them and you can turn them in without endangering them and a dozen drivers around you. The only problem is that in many of the videos you were the one responsible for the confrontation to begin with.
More violent language from Clover followed by a complete lie. You are a despicable, dishonest, and violent person. You are a symbol of just about everything that is wrong with humanity.
I stated that if someone forces me to avoid a collision it is not their choice how I avoid it. Their comfort level is none of my concern. If they want to be comfortable they need to stop driving lazily and threatening other drivers with collision to get their way.
You endorse those who threaten other drivers with collisions unless those other drivers show submission to aggressive behavior behind the wheel. You have defended drivers who changed lanes into the side of my car! You have considered it their right to change lanes without looking and without signal. Without paying attention. Without even the most minimal due care. You have defended their need to make a move immediately and impatiently at my expense. You have demanded that I wait, that I be delayed because it would be too much effort and time on their part not to threaten me with collision for not giving up my time for them. It does not get more absurd than that. You have made a clear pattern of argument that those who are aggressive and threaten collisions with other motorists should be yielded to at the utmost degree such that they are very comfortable in their behavior.
Thanks Brent, you say you want examples of your road rage and you just stated it. You say that other drivers do not have the choice of how you are to avoid an accident, “it is not their choice how I avoid it”. Yes it is their choice. It is the law. In your last video you say you had to avoid the other driver and severely tailgated them for 13 seconds. That is an extreme example of road rage and is against the law. If you feel that tailgating is not against the law then I would think that someone pulling in front of you is not against the law either. Of course that is logical thinking of which you are incapable of.
You’re delusional Clover.
1) There is no emotional state tied to that simple piece of logic. If you force me to avoid you, to avoid you so that I am not harmed, you do not have a choice in how I do it.
2) There is no law stating how I must avoid someone who threatens me with collision from an illegal lane change. If you think there is, cite it.
3) I am not going to nail the brakes and get rear ended by a truck because one of your kind could not wait for a gap in traffic.
Lastly, you again defend aggressive and selfish behavior on the road. Why? Likely because that’s how you drive. With a sense of entitlement that everyone has to yield to you.
Brent you are wrong again. The law says that if you can avoid an accident just by letting your foot off the gas it is against the law to continue accelerating like you do and thus tailgate, illegally honk your horn and as such make your road rage demonstration illegal.
If I NEVER get within inches of cars then I would say you have to be illegally driving by tailgating or the poorest driver alive.
You continental show your road rage by the videos that you post and also the statements you just made. I do not know if it is against the law to have road rage in Illinois but I do know it is against the law for the actions that you take that do break the laws. We can not help it that you are mentally deranged similar to the gunman in Colorado. I bet he thought he was right in what he was doing just like you think that you are right.
Cite the law. The real actual law. Quote it. You cannot because it does not exist. There is no law that says ‘must brake hard if someone illegally changes lanes into your path or side of your vehicle’. Doesn’t exist.
However, thanks for going down this route. Another insight into the clover mind. You actually try to exploit what you believe to be the law to push other people around. What a miserable troll you are.
Your further insults have no place here.
Wow another change of direction. Why do you insist that other people have the right to endanger me? Why do you defend them threatening a collision so they can put less effort towards driving and/or not wait for a gap in traffic?
As to laws you need to stop making assertions you cannot support.
I dare you to drive like any of the drivers you have defended and do to a cop what they did to me.
Brent I have not defended any drivers. What I said was that you are the main problem. The cars that you said got in your way or you said cut in front of you, you should not have been where you were in the first place. I can not help it that your illegal dangerous driving causes others to be in your way.
You have defended them repeatedly. You have clearly stated they have every right to do what they do and I shouldn’t be in their way. Over and over and over again. Never mind I am legally occupying the road space and was in the lane first. You make it very clear that vehicle size and aggression determines right of way and I should yield so that they feel comfortable. Never mind that I might miss my exit or any other negative impact to me other drivers.
This clover mentality comes out really clear when I am bicycling. Bicycling on the road minding my own business with only a single driver approaching me from the rear and that driver will threaten a collision to send me a message he doesn’t want me on his road. This is the behavior you have repeatedly endorsed by blaming me for merely being in road space someone else wants for himself.
Brent your drivers that you are so mad at are the aggressive drivers just like you. If you want more of those kind of drivers then gunshots will be the norm on our highways. It sounds like your road rage comes from your bicycle riding experiences. It is your attempt to get back at those drivers when you are in your car because you are like Dom says “you are a complete coward and pussy”. You hide behind your car and do your road rage.
Are you the libertarian spokesperson for Chicago? You are the best thing ever for moving everyone away from the libertarian party because of your philosophies of being a jerk and a dangerous person.
What sort of tangential trolling bullshit is this mess?
I notice that you cannot stay on subject. Perhaps it is because I’ve got you nailed. Why this irrelevancy was not simply deleted I do not know.
Why don’t you go off and try these moves that you say were perfectly legal on a cop? I double dog dare you to cut off a cop or change lanes into the side of his police cruiser in exactly the same conditions where you blame me. Except it’s not me, but a cop. Go do it. Try it.
But you won’t. Because in your little animal social structure the cop is alpha. You can’t compute a ‘leave me alone’ behavior pattern. It’s something that doesn’t compute to you idiots. There are people in this world that don’t want to play your games. But they aren’t going be submissive to you either. When an aggressive animal like a bear comes into a rational person’s space it is not “rage” or “anger” to discourage their aggression.
There are rational and logical ways to deal with aggressive animals, including the human animal. When an aggressive human animal sees submission he will push more. Ask any experienced vehicular road bicyclist. There’s a reason besides run out room for riding further left. It sends a social message to the human animals like you out there. A bicycle rider on the edge of pavement has far more problems because human animals like yourself, see someone they can easily push around because it is a submissive message to be out on the edge. Moving left is a confident message and your kind becomes less likely to challenge. You human animals need animal messages that cause you to leave someone alone. To not mess with them or if you’ve already messed with them to back off. It’s not anger or rage, it’s a message to get you to go away. To go no further. That you are being met with resistance to your aggressions.
Anyway, you’re a troll here and on the road. You play stupid games of domination and submission. I can only think that some day you troll a roid raging PTSD officer flat-top while he is off duty or driving an unmarked car. Then you’ll see rage. Boy will you see rage. You could easily end up shot. A good number of people have or come close to it when they’ve trolled cops by mistake. See, officer flat top is playing your game. He has real rage and anger. And he is another human animal like you. And he -is- alpha over you. Not just some guy who wants to be left alone and sends you a social message to back off.
OK Brent you say I am a submissive person on the road. Yes I am. My few seconds of time on a trip are not worth my endangering myself and others, driving illegally, demonstrating road rage and possibly causing me to lose hours of my time if I do something wrong doing it. I just call the guy a jerk if he does it on purpose and get satisfaction if such a person legally and safely gets pulled over by a cop. You continually say you do not demonstrate road rage but at the same time you say you would be demonstrating that you are submissive if you did not demonstrate your road rage. I do not understand your statements that you do no exhibit road rage but you say it is your duty to do so?
What training do you have to give the correct amount of road rage? Is there a school for that? It looks to me that you would have flunked that course.
I say you’re likely a troll on the road. I say you likely play games of domination and submission. You probably switch hit. You’re probably too scared to stand up to anyone who is actually aggressive and sending alpha messages but if you see someone who looks submissive, that is someone minding their own business, I am sure you have no problem cutting them off.
It comes through oh so clearly from your posts. Oh and you’re probably passive aggressive too. That is intentionally trying to anger people while hiding behind what you think is the law. You’ve demonstrated that too with your words.
“rage” is an emotion Clover. You project your emotions on others. Some of us just want to be left alone. For instance if I am bicycling along and you turn your car into me I am going to sound my air horn or hit your car with my fist to get you to back off. I am not going to just vere into the ditch so you can drive away pretending I was never there. Anger does not come into play. It is merely trying to get you to back off and not to kill me. I don’t want to walk home covered in blood as has happened before I learned to be more assertive.
Graduating From Traffic Violation to Criminal Offense:
The NHTSA defines aggressive driving as, “The operation of a motor vehicle in a manner that endangers or is likely to endanger persons or property.”
An important distinction is that aggressive driving is a traffic violation, while road rage, aside from the yelling and gesticulating, is a criminal offense.
Still not citing a law that says “Make way for Clover, make it comfortable for Clover to cut you off”
Habitual Or Clinical Behavior:
Most motorists rarely drive aggressively, and some never at all. For others, episodes of aggressive driving are frequent, and for a small proportion of motorists it is their usual driving behavior.
Occasional episodes of aggressive driving might occur in response to specific situations, such as speeding and changing lanes abruptly when late for an important appointment, when it is not the driver’s normal behavior.
Among the chronic aggressive drivers there are those who learned the driving style and consider it appropriate, and others who may have learned to drive properly, but for whom the behavior is an EXPRESSION OF ILLNESS.
Clearly, it is a matter of degree and not all anger is uncontrolled, or even inappropriate, that is, it is not the anger, but what a person does about it that matters (e.g., anger that motivates a person to call the police when encountered on the road by an obviously impaired or dangerously aggressive driver). However, chronic anger, habitual or persistent aggressive driving, and especially a pattern of confrontation on the road, must be considered manifestations of pathology, in addition to violations of the law.
Yes Clover, you have an illness. You have clearly expressed that you believe that driving aggressively entitles that person to everyone else making way. You express the beliefs of someone who has learned this as a chronic driving style.
Brent I am not an aggressive driver. You are and have demonstrated that you are 10 times more aggressive than I am. I believe that the police are there to get the poor drivers off the road. Yes with our economy there are not enough out there but when we have the mentally challenged people like you trying to enforce laws it is a bad thing. Your driving is worse than any other driver in the videos. When we have poor drivers thinking they are the enforcers of traffic laws then that would be the downfall of our society.
Explain to us all why it is a good thing to have hundreds of thousands of people with road rage doing the enforcing of what they feel is correct driving when in fact they break dozens of laws themselves?
I am not an aggressive driver.
You defend aggression repeatedly. You argued that it is acceptable to pull out into traffic and make others yield because it takes too long to wait for a proper gap. You argued that it is ok to vere into the side someone’s car if the lane you are in becomes exit only a mile up the road. You’ve argued it’s ok to cut someone off if there is someone blocking your progress in your lane. You’ve argued it’s ok to enter turn lanes late and cut people off if you don’t know where you’re going. You’ve argued that incompetence makes all sorts of aggressive moves acceptable as “mistakes”. You’ve argued that other drivers must yield to aggression. Sounds like the belief system of a very aggressive driver to me. If you weren’t an aggressive driver you would be offended at all these behaviors not saying it’s the other person’s fault for being cut off.
You’re like the wife beater. You wouldn’t have to beat her if dinner wasn’t late or the house was cleaned. It’s her fault you had to hit her. You’ve said it was my fault someone changed lanes into the side of my car because you feel I shouldn’t have been in that lane at all. Now I suppose you might not be the wife beater, you could be one of these people who thinks other people who aren’t as submissive as they are deserves punishment. However your language is far too violent. Your rationalization of aggressive driving too well aggressive. No it’s pretty clear you are likely justifying your own behavior.
Explain to us all why it is a good thing to have hundreds of thousands of people with road rage doing the enforcing of what they feel is correct driving when in fact they break dozens of laws themselves?
I wouldn’t know, that’s a cloverism I encounter often. Some clover like you has his own made up idea of what the law is and since I have the smaller vehicle he threatens me with a collision or tries to run me off the road. Happens most often while bicycling.
Brent: You defend aggression repeatedly. You argued that it is acceptable to pull out into traffic and make others yield because it takes too long to wait for a proper gap. || Yes Brent, I do agree with this. That is what you call common courtesy driving. You allow another person in the traffic flow where they might otherwise spend a half hour waiting. If you disagree with this and are against the one second delay you have then all I can say is drop dead.
Brent about all of your other cut off questions, all of the videos that you have shown, you were speeding or passing where you should not have been or you move up into someone’s blind spot. Almost 100% of the time you created the problem where you said you were cut off. Drive correctly once and you will not have any run-ins with other drivers. You do not own the road. It is your responsibility to drive safely around other drivers.
Brent: You’ve argued that incompetence makes all sorts of aggressive moves acceptable as “mistakes”. You’ve argued that other drivers must yield to aggression. || Yes Brent you must at times yield to other drivers. If you would rather run into other drivers to make a point maybe you should be in jail. There is no reason to drive dangerously and illegally in such a case or you in fact because worse than the driver you are mad at.
Brent: Sounds like the belief system of a very aggressive driver to me. If you weren’t an aggressive driver you would be offended at all these behaviors not saying it’s the other person’s fault for being cut off. || Brent, it is all of your fault for being cut off from what I have seen. Your so called cutting off if done safely is dozens of times safer than aggressive drivers with road rage. No I do not believe in pulling out right in front of someone but if you drive illegally and get in someone’s blind spot then I believe it is your fault.
Brent: You’re like the wife beater. You wouldn’t have to beat her if dinner wasn’t late or the house was cleaned. It’s her fault you had to hit her. || Brent that sounds like you exactly. You would not be breaking laws but someone else made you do it? Right!
Brent: You’ve said it was my fault someone changed lanes into the side of my car because you feel I shouldn’t have been in that lane at all. || Now you have got it. In multiple videos you were illegally there in the first place.
Brent: Some clover like you has his own made up idea of what the law is and since I have the smaller vehicle he threatens me with a collision or tries to run me off the road. Happens most often while bicycling. || How many thousands of lbs lighter is your car than the others? If you had a 250 cc motorcycle you have the capability of taking out a car and make it lose control. I have not seen any of your bicycle videos. There is always citizens arrest if you get the license and see what they look like.
Yes Brent, I do agree with this. That is what you call common courtesy driving. You allow another person in the traffic flow where they might otherwise spend a half hour waiting. If you disagree with this and are against the one second delay you have then all I can say is drop dead.
So you favor threatening people with a collision because you are too impatient to wait. Why are you in such a hurry? I have lived in very congested areas for my entire adult life. I have _NEVER_ had to make someone brake for me so I could enter traffic or change lanes.
about all of your other cut off questions, all of the videos that you have shown, you were speeding or passing where you should not have been or you move up into someone’s blind spot. Almost 100% of the time you created the problem where you said you were cut off. Drive correctly once and you will not have any run-ins with other drivers. You do not own the road. It is your responsibility to drive safely around other drivers.
Entirely false. See previous posts.
Yes Brent you must at times yield to other drivers. If you would rather run into other drivers to make a point maybe you should be in jail. There is no reason to drive dangerously and illegally in such a case or you in fact because worse than the driver you are mad at.
Clover, your insults are childish. You use them to cover the crux of your argument which is that you are too lazy to drive properly. You are too lazy to turn your head, accelerate, signal, and do all the other things that make it so others don’t have to avoid you. You are lazy and selfish. You hide behind the “mistake” because it means you have to do less.
The fact of the matter is you are an abusive person Clover. Look at your language here. You can never go long without uttering an insult. It is not a big stretch to see you taking your abusive and aggressive behavior on the road. When you screw up you blame the other person. The one you cut off. Everyone has to make way for you as you see it. When someone cuts me off you blame me, because that person drives like you. You can’t stand to be confronted with it. Put a camera facing out the back window of your car. Share the videos. You haven’t got the guts to do it honestly because you know what you leave in your wake.
Brent: So you favor threatening people with a collision because you are too impatient to wait. Why are you in such a hurry? I have lived in very congested areas for my entire adult life. I have _NEVER_ had to make someone brake for me so I could enter traffic or change lanes. || First Brent, I never believe in threatening people with collision. I do believe someone is able to enter the roadway in such a case where it is allowable to have someone take their foot off the gas or lightly brake slowing a few miles per hour to delay them for a second. Second I would bet all the money I have and a few hundred thousand dollars I do not have that you have made someone brake while entering a roadway. I also bet a billion dollars that you would deny it.
Brent: Clover, your insults are childish. You use them to cover the crux of your argument which is that you are too lazy to drive properly. You are too lazy to turn your head, accelerate, signal, and do all the other things that make it so others don’t have to avoid you. You are lazy and selfish. You hide behind the “mistake” because it means you have to do less. || Again Brent you are wrong and stupid. I am dozens of times better driver than you. I may make a small mistake once a decade. I on the other hand have taken a few driver safety classes for work when I used to drive a lot more miles and drive a company car. I do not get next to a vehicle where and when I should not be.
Brent: The fact of the matter is you are an abusive person Clover. Look at your language here. You can never go long without uttering an insult. It is not a big stretch to see you taking your abusive and aggressive behavior on the road. || Brent I am abusive here because I have never seen as bad a driver as you. I believe bad language for what you do is not enough. I tend to let guys like you alone on the highway but if someday it becomes a common occurrence to have your dangerous kind on the roadway I then would start carrying a ball bat and a gun. I do not get upset about most driving but when someone drives dangerously and with road rage on a daily basis and police can not take care of it then we will all have to carry guns to protect us from your kind.
Brent: When you screw up you blame the other person. The one you cut off. || Brent I do not screw up and it is you that blames other drivers for your actions. When you adjust your driving in a negative and dangerous way because of what someone else did then you have road rage.
The only time I would need a camera facing backwards is if there are more stupid aggressive drivers like you on the roadway breaking laws. There are not enough of you on the highway here yet. Some day if we lose more police off of our roadways we will then get to the point of the above video. Hopefully not in my lifetime.
First Brent, I never believe in threatening people with collision. I do believe someone is able to enter the roadway in such a case where it is allowable to have someone take their foot off the gas or lightly brake slowing a few miles per hour to delay them for a second. Second I would bet all the money I have and a few hundred thousand dollars I do not have that you have made someone brake while entering a roadway. I also bet a billion dollars that you would deny it.
Clover, When I don’t see someone until it is too late, I don’t demand they slow. I accelerate as hard as I need to or can. It’s the polite thing to do not to impose on other people. You impose on other people. You demand others avoid a collision, that is truly threatening them with one.
I am abusive here because I have never seen as bad a driver as you. I believe bad language for what you do is not enough.
You are an abusive person. It is very very clear. You use the the argument of a bully of an abusive person. It’s right there in your own words. It’s my fault you use abusive language. It’s always the other person’s fault you do something. The other person wasn’t in the right place. The other person didn’t yield to you. So on and so forth. You can divert from this all you want but the truth remains the same. You are abusive. You don’t make mistakes because you blame the other person.
The only time I would need a camera facing backwards is if there are more stupid aggressive drivers like you on the roadway breaking laws.
You still can’t cite those laws because they don’t exist. They are clover laws. Imaginary laws. The kind you and those like you enforce with violence against other road users. Like every driver I have encountered while bicycling who tried to run me off the road because he felt I didn’t belong there. You’re an abusive bully.
My videos force you to see what it looks like to the other person. You can’t handle that. That’s why you demonstrate such anger. Use such abusive language. Call names, threaten, and so forth. You blame me because otherwise you’d have to start looking at yourself and stop living in denial.
I am done with you. I fully understand what you are now. I don’t want your poison anywhere near me.
That is good that you are done with me Brent. Go and spend your time on some drivers training. In your mind you are a perfect driver. A perfect driver has none of the problems that you do with other drivers. A perfect driver would not put one second of their time over the safety of a dozen other surrounding vehicles.
Quite an amazing discussion, gentlemen. I am happy for the work that was put into this website in Clover’s honor. Clover, you’ve certainly earned it.
Here (trying italics): “I do believe someone is able to enter the roadway in such a case where it is allowable to have someone take their foot off the gas or lightly brake slowing a few miles per hour to delay them for a second.“, you admit to pulling out in front of someone on purpose, causing them to slow down. Judging from your previous comments, I would not doubt it if you did this on purpose to people you deem as “going too fast”. Am I correct?
No ChangeLanes I do not get in front of someone and make them slow down/keep from speeding. That is the job of the police. Yes I am sure I have pulled out in front of someone and they may have had to take their foot off the gas. In smaller towns where there is a main street with a lot of vehicles traveling on it and there are a lot of businesses off of the main street you at times have to pull out in traffic. If you wait until there is 150 feet of free space you would never enter the road. It is in fact a common courtesy to allow vehicles on the road. It is a place where there are no Brents that are ready to get their guns out for having to take their foot off the gas.
Are you a huge supporter of people with road rage?
Clover, damn you’re despicable. If you are done with me, don’t invoke my name with your lies.
You also can’t drive for shit and are selfish. I hear all the time from idiots who can’t drive that they have to make other people brake, make other people avoid them. The fact of the matter is they are impatient and unwilling to put in the effort it takes not to interfere with other people. Sometimes all it takes is thinking things through and using a different exit from a parking lot. But idiots like you have to block traffic and get in other people’s way because you can’t put in the effort to think it through. Lazy selfish rude.
Drop dead Brent. You were leaving. Have you ever been on a street where you have angled pull in parking? If you have a big vehicle next to you, you check traffic before you get into your car and start backing out slowly because you can not see what cars are coming? The car coming down the street either has to slow down or stop when you are half way on the street. What kind of road rage would you give the person backing up because it made you slow down or stop? I can just see your stack blow. Face gets red and you get a heart attack waiting. I suppose you would stand on your horn for about 10 seconds and tailgate the guy for the next 30 seconds. Drop dead Brent.
I can just see you pull within inches of the car and try to get it to pull back into the parking space. Drop dead Brent with your road rage.
Yep. You’re just lazy, selfish, and rude and use any excuse you can to blame someone else. Any excuse to shove the responsibility on to other people. I’ve seen your kind with angled parking. They just back out into traffic or the isle without concern. They expect other people to do the work to make the effort.
And yes, it’s happened to me where I can’t quite see perfectly from a parking place. Rarely, because I avoid parking in spaces that will be blind to me. I avoid parking next to SUVs, vans, pickups, etc. I think ahead. I learned how to back out just a little and use my mirrors and car counting from what I can see to find a gap. It takes effort. Effort you don’t want to put into the task.
999 times out of 1000 if someone stops for me it messes up my timing and causes problems for me. When it comes to parking, if they stop, it is because they want the space I am vacating.
Your the kind of person I’ve had the displeasure of working with. They can look up stuff for themselves. They could find answers for themselves. But it is too much effort so they find someone else to do it for them. They ask someone else.
Want to know ultimately why this society is collapsing? Fewer and fewer people putting effort in. They want someone else to do it and pay for it. To take care of it.
Yes Brent the downfall of our society is having mind midgets like you. As for your parking only where there are no SUVs etc, you truly are a mind midget because unless you park somewhere for only seconds you have no choice who comes and parks next to you. I know that is beyond your comprehension.
You say it messes up your timing if someone stops for you when backing up? If that is true you should not be driving. What are they supposed to do drive through you? You say you use your mirrors when backing out of spot?
Mirrors do no good until you are halfway out of the parking spot unless there is someone stopped directly behind you.
You do not belong in the modern work force. If someone can give you an answer in seconds that otherwise would take you minutes or hours to look up a solution then you ask someone else and see if they already know the answer to the problem. That is what you call increased productivity. If there is only one person that has the answer most of the time then he gets paid more. Yes I did get a good raise this year.
Heaven forbid we have people who think ahead and don’t impose themselves on others. Most people stay places for more than seconds. You are simply lazy. You don’t put effort in. effort is something you demand other people put in for you. That’s why you like government. You can use it force other people to taken burden off of you.
Let me explain it to you since you are too selfish, lazy, and stupid to figure this out. Often the blind spot is just close up. One can still see what’s coming down the block. So I see a gap between a blue car and a red car. I wait for the blue car to pass by. Then it doesn’t. The red car doesn’t pass either…. because he stopped in the blind area to do me a favor. I knew I could pull out after he passed.
Mirrors are one component. Are you just stupid or a troll?
Oh an I pegged you again. You are one of those people who have to ask someone else a question, forcing that other person to look it up, instead of doing it themselves. Clover I get asked questions where I have to do the same steps they would have to do themselves. They just want someone else to do it. They have access to the same system. They can do a search same as I can.
Government workers always get good raises. Don’t pat yourself on the back too much.
Clover,
I find you boring and immature.
You do not add anything constructive to this discussion.
Your use of violence and lack of facts towards others does not strengthen your position.
You need to go back under your bridge.
Brent I do not have one of those simple minded jobs like you do where you spend a few seconds looking something up. I solve problems that if you do not have experience with it already it could take you hours or days to solve. Asking someone else first can increase productivity a lot. I could care less what type of people you work with. That is up to you and possibly a manager to fix. Not doing your job is not an option for what I do. If you are too lazy or can not handle it they let you go.
mithrandir, since you say you are not Brent, do you believe in road rage is someone does not drive like you feel they should? Do you break laws showing them they were wrong?
My job isn’t to look things up Clover. But your kind shoves their work on to me. Because see, it only takes a short amount of time to do. Just like they do on the road. Same logic. It’s only a small time penalty to interrupt me and make me lose my train of thought on a something that can take hours or days to work out and have me find the answer they need even though they are fully capable of finding it themselves. Once upon a time I used to have a white board. On it were the answers to 90+% of the fool questions I was asked daily. People would come in and I would point to the white board. Eventually they would just look at the board. All I had to do was update the board at the same time I updated the computerized system with my new revisions. Yes, all they had to do was check the system. They wouldn’t. They had to ask, because it was less effort for them to interrupt me than to type a few characters or to learn how to use the system as they were supposed to.
It is this insane ‘small intrusion’ concept that is the basis of your laziness. It what makes a system such that it does not scale. Those small intrusions add up. They also have greater cascading time penalties. Ever hear of a brake wave? It’s the first symptom of the onset of traffic congestion. You make someone else brake for you. The brake wave sets up and then some time later other people who weren’t even involved, maybe 100 cars back, are delayed minutes to hours in the congestion that the brake wave spawned.
There’s no way you solve problems. I solve problems and create for a living, in the productive sector. I’ve seen your thought processes here. You can’t solve problems. Your solution is always force and violence. Oh wait, you work for government where violence and force _are_ the solutions. Yes, it probably does take you hours to figure out a new way to use violence on people to control them.
Brent, I do not work with YOU! You are drop dead stupid when you accuse me of being lazy at your workplace. As usual you do not know how to handle people and it sounds like the ones you work with either. There is no need to get angry at work but that is your normal problem because you are angry at the world. You are like the shooter in Colorado except it sounds like he was smart.
I do not have problems at work with people but that is me. I know getting angry solves nothing. I know it is better to solve the problem with other workers than to get angry with them. Some are smarter than others and some work harder than others. You have to live with that fact and deal with it. If they are not capable of the job they are given then get them a job they can do or fire them.
Re:clover Submitted on 2012/07/21 at 7:27 pm
I got you pegged.
Driving is so telling about people. You are someone who expects other people to carry the load. You have tons of reasons why they should do things. Why they have to put forth effort. But never a reason why you should.
Re:clover Submitted on 2012/07/21 at 8:02 pm & Submitted on 2012/07/21 at 8:16 pm & Submitted on 2012/07/21 at 8:30 pm
Ever notice how when Clover is completely pinned down, Clover goes on some weird off the wall personal attack? The more angry Clover is the more these bizarre attacks spread over multiple posts. Also the deeper and deeper the lies get.
I’m not going to address your bullshit Clover. Please stop projecting your disorders and thought processes on me.
Here’s a hint Clover: Narcissistic people don’t drive around in 12 year economy Mazdas and live way below their means.
Brent I just looked up your symptoms and this is what I found:
Narcissistic personality disorder is characterized by dramatic, emotional behavior, which is in the same category as antisocial and borderline personality disorders.
Narcissistic personality disorder symptoms may include:
Believing that you’re better than others
Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
Exaggerating your achievements or talents
Expecting constant praise and admiration
Believing that you’re special and acting accordingly
Failing to recognize other people’s emotions and feelings
Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
Taking advantage of others
Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
Being jealous of others
Believing that others are jealous of you
Trouble keeping healthy relationships
Setting unrealistic goals
Being easily hurt and rejected
Having a fragile self-esteem
Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional
Although some features of narcissistic personality disorder may seem like having confidence or strong self-esteem, it’s not the same. Narcissistic personality disorder crosses the border of healthy confidence and self-esteem into thinking so highly of yourself that you put yourself on a pedestal. In contrast, people who have healthy confidence and self-esteem don’t value themselves more than they value others.
When you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may have a sense of entitlement. And when you don’t receive the special treatment to which you feel entitled, you may become very impatient or angry. You may insist on having “the best” of everything — the best car, athletic club, medical care or social circles, for instance.
But underneath all this behavior often lies a fragile self-esteem. You have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have a sense of secret shame and humiliation. And in order to make yourself feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and efforts to belittle the other person to make yourself appear better.
As I have been saying Brent, either seek help or do something else to remove yourself from others.
Narcissistic personality disorder
Narcissistic personality disorder is a condition in which people have an inflated sense of self-importance and an extreme preoccupation with themselves.
Causes, incidence, and risk factors
The causes of this disorder are unknown. An overly sensitive personality and parenting problems may affect the development of this disorder.
Symptoms
A person with narcissistic personality disorder may:
React to criticism with rage, shame, or humiliation
Take advantage of other people to achieve his or her own goals
Have excessive feelings of self-importance
Exaggerate achievements and talents
Be preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence, or ideal love
Have unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment
Need constant attention and admiration
Disregard the feelings of others, and have little ability to feel empathy
Have obsessive self-interest
Pursue mainly selfish goals
Signs and tests
Like other personality disorders, narcissistic personality disorder is diagnosed based on a psychological evaluation and the history and severity of the symptoms.
Treatment
Psychotherapy (for example, talk therapy) may help the affected person relate to other people in a more positive and compassionate way.
Expectations (prognosis)
The outcome depends on the severity of the disorder.
Complications
Alcohol or other drug dependence
Relationship, work, and family problems
Here is more on what I found. I knew you had a problem but did not know what it was. This is it. You have the majority of the symptoms if not all of them.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder generally believe that the world revolves around them. This condition is characterized by a lack of ability to empathize with others and a desire to keep the focus on themselves at all times.
Definition
Symptoms
Causes
Treatments
Narcissistic Personality Disorder involves arrogant behavior, a lack of empathy for other people, and a need for admiration-all of which must be consistently evident at work and in relationships. People who are narcissistic are frequently described as cocky, self-centered, manipulative, and demanding. Narcissists may concentrate on unlikely personal outcomes (e.g., fame) and may be convinced that they deserve special treatment. Related Personality Disorders: Antisocial, Borderline, Histrionic. Narcissism is a less extreme version of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Narcissism involves cockiness, manipulativeness, selfishness, power motives, and vanity-a love of mirrors. Related personality traits include: Psychopathy, Machiavellianism.
Narcissists tend to have high self-esteem. However, narcissism is not the same thing as self-esteem; people who have high self-esteem are often humble, whereas narcissists rarely are. It was once thought that narcissists have high self-esteem on the surface, but deep down they are insecure. However, the latest evidence indicates that narcissists are actually secure or grandiose at both levels. Onlookers may infer that insecurity is there because narcissists tend to be defensive when their self-esteem is threatened (e.g., being ridiculed); narcissists can be aggressive. The sometimes dangerous lifestyle may more generally reflect sensation-seeking or impulsivity
Clover,
I find you boring and immature.
You do not add anything constructive to this discussion.
Your use of violence and lack of facts towards others does not strengthen your position.
You need to go back under your bridge.
Your wording is awkward. Your meaning is unclear. If you want an answer to a question, please be more clear in what you want answered.
mithrandir, since you say you are not Brent, do you believe in road rage if someone does not drive like you feel they should? Do you break laws showing them they were wrong?
At least I have now found what Brent has. I knew it was something but I did not know the name of it. Maybe he will go get help. If he doesn’t there will be many more people in danger.
Clover, does your despicable behavior have any limit?
Brent, I have been telling you to seek help. You do have a problem. You exhibit almost all symptoms that were posted. If you disagree then you need to look at yourself objectively. You said you have problems at work, you have problems on the highway, you have problems with all groups of people. This is why you need to get help.
Brent: “Narcissistic people don’t drive around in 12 year economy Mazdas and live way below their means.”
Brent from what I read about Narcissistic people the last thing on the list is being a materialistic person. You exhibit all of the other symptoms of the disease that involves your attitudes and actions to other people. Go get help.
You can’t even read your own bullshit.
Be preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence, or ideal love
Plain cars with little power don’t fit in there. And a few others on the list.
However, many of these fit you perfectly. I wasn’t going to do it, for giggles what the hell…
React to criticism with rage, shame, or humiliation
When you are criticized you react with angry, violent language. You attempt to humiliate the person who was critical of you.
Take advantage of other people to achieve his or her own goals
You have repeatedly argued that other drivers have to get out of the way for you.
Have excessive feelings of self-importance
You have repeatedly posted that other people, people who have the right of way, have to yield to you.
Exaggerate achievements and talents
Your mention of investments, work, etc and so forth.
Be preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence, or ideal love
Your investments, mentioning raises, telling people what to do, calling others stupid, etc and so forth.
Have unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment
For example, you expect everyone else to come to a stop because you have to back out of a parking place. There are many other driving comments you have made that show an unreasonable expectation of favorable treatment. Simply put you’ve always got some reason the world should come to a stop to accommodate you.
Need constant attention and admiration
Your trolling shows you need attention.
Disregard the feelings of others, and have little ability to feel empathy
It’s pretty clear you disregard the feelings of many people both on the road and on the internet.
Have obsessive self-interest
It’s always about what you need.
Pursue mainly selfish goals
This one I wouldn’t know about. So there’s one you might not qualify for.
It’s a great diagnosis of yourself Clover. Why you insist upon projecting your condition and emotions on me is beyond weird.
Brent go get some help. I knew there was something wrong with you when you have more problems on the roadway than anyone I have seen or heard about. You have problems with anger at work. These things are just part of the symptoms of your problems. Anyone that has a huge excessive of personal problems no matter where you are is a huge sign that you have a problem. I just did not know what it was called until now and that there is help available. Go get help.
Again you are trying to move others below your level to make yourself look better by the false insults on me. That is part of the disease you have. As far as driving I never say other people need to get out of my way, that is your statements. As far as investments, I have $26,000 in realized gains and another 6 grand in dividends so far this year. That does not include gains in my two 401Ks. Telling facts is not a symptom of any kind of disease. You also said what a lazy driver and worker I am that you make up without any facts because that is part of the symptoms of the disease that you have.
Keep boasting about this claimed success of yours Clover. It only proves you are what you accuse others of.
Brent go get some help. Again you are trying to say how bad others are. Another symptom. Go get some help from a professional and see what they tell you unless you like your angry and fighting life the way it is.
Making money in investments is not bragging. I am sure you make money at work. I spend free time working with investments and you spend your free time doing whatever you do. It is no different than any other job except it is variable income. It is just a good time to make money at my second job and it always isn’t that way. I have spent many hours at it over the years and it is a learning experience. I am a lot better at it now than I was 15 years ago. Unless the stock market crashes 50% I should have very good gains in 5, 6 and 18 months from now with options and covered calls.
Again you are trying to say how bad others are.
That describes your behavior exactly Clover. How could I compare your behavior to that list if you didn’t post it to say I’m bad in the first place? Stop projecting your behavior on to me.
Making money in investments is not bragging.
Blathering it in discussion group on driving is bragging. I don’t care what you claimed to make in the wall street casino. I won’t be telling you what I’ve made or didn’t make in this or that or the other thing. It’s none of your business. But you, you got to show me how ‘smart’ and wealthy you are.
I am sure you make money at work.
Do you see me discussing it other than in the most generic terms of personal illustration of the destructive and criminal nature of inflation or to help make some other general economic point? No. Do you ever see me discussing the actual amount I make on anything? No. My grandfather told me to never let people know what I have and I don’t. Most people think I’m poorer than they are. I’m fine with that. Less hassle for me.
Brent, you were the one to bring up investments out of context here. On the other site Eric was complaining about banks paying little interest. I said there are far better places to put your money. Brent if you want zero risk and in your own words too lazy to look elseware then you live with low interest. Telling people your salary or whatever is your option. They just discourage it at the workplace because it can create bad feelings.
I never mentioned investments on clovercam. In fact you brought them up on epautos too. Seems you enjoy boasting. You are what you accuse of others of.
Why are you attacking what to you is my unknown financial state and what I do with my money? Trying to make yourself appear better no doubt.
That list of symptoms really has you pegged. You are what you accuse others of being.
I don’t state what my salary or financial affairs because this is on the internet. Intelligent people who don’t have a need to boast don’t state their salary on the intertubes.
Clover,
Why should I feel rage if people do not drive how I would drive? If people do not drive in accordance with the local laws they risk receiving tickets and penalties from local law enforcement.
If another driver damaged my car or ran me off the road I would be vexed at the least. Hopefully I would have enough evidence available for LEO/courts to prosecute for their actions.
Driving in a manners that you promote makes driving more hazardous for all people on the road. I have driven in China and they drove better than the clovers I witnessed in the states.
I still find you boring and immature.
You do not add anything constructive to this discussion.
Your use of violence and lack of facts towards others does not strengthen your position.
You need to go back under your bridge.
Mithrandir says: “Driving in a manners that you promote makes driving more hazardous for all people on the road.”
Mithrandri I try to drive as safely as possible. If I do not drive correctly then let me know what I am doing wrong. The following things is what I promote for driving. Tell me what is wrong with them?
1) Do not weave through traffic.
2) Do not speed. I have said at times on two lane roads I do drive a few miles per hour over the limit but that is only when there are cars behind me and I want to reduce passing as much as possible for safety reasons.
3) Do not tailgate. Use the 3 second rule and more when possible.
4) Do not display road rage ever.
5) Do not start passing other cars until there is a legal lane to do so also no passing in no passing zones.
6) Do not pass on the right. Goes with weaving through traffic.
7) Do not drive in a position where you might be in someone’s blind spot.
8) Do not pass when it is only going to save you seconds of time.
9) Take your foot off the gas if there may be a car ahead that may cause a possible collision. Slow down early and not when you get on someone’s tail.
10) Drive defensivly and look out for the other guy.
11) Drive as slowly as practical on back roads at night where there are often deer crossing where there are no cars on your rear.
12) Move left if possible when passing an on ramp when cars are on it. Do not speed in the right lane so that you time it so you are across from entering vehicles.
I am sure I left a few things off but this is a list of common driving manners that I promote.
If these are wrong and I should be doing something else let me know.
OOOH another Clover list.
1) Do not weave through traffic.
Notice how “keep right except to pass” is not on the list. This rule allows Clover to set the pace.
2) Do not speed.
Tell that to all the clovers who drive X over the limit as a rule. And I don’t believe for a second you obey 55mph interstate speed limits.
3) Do not tailgate. Use the 3 second rule and more when possible.
So Clover can force his way in.
4) Do not display road rage ever.
Translation: never show disapproval of Clover’s driving.
5) Do not start passing other cars until there is a legal lane to do so also no passing in no passing zones.
Another ‘don’t pass rule’… wonder if Clover doesn’t like being passed.
6) Do not pass on the right. Goes with weaving through traffic.
Another rule so Clover can sit in the left lane and set the pace.
7) Do not drive in a position where you might be in someone’s blind spot.
No rule about properly setting mirrors so there is no blind spot.
8) Do not pass when it is only going to save you seconds of time.
Another ‘don’t pass Clover’ rule.
9) Take your foot off the gas if there may be a car ahead that may cause a possible collision. Slow down early and not when you get on someone’s tail.
Another rule so Clover doesn’t have to put effort into driving. Other people have to make way for Clover.
10) Drive defensivly and look out for the other guy.
Because Clover drives offensively, expecting others to go on defense to avoid a collision. (see 9) and others)
11) Drive as slowly as practical on back roads at night where there are often deer crossing where there are no cars on your rear.
Where is this fantasy world of no other cars?
12) Move left if possible when passing an on ramp when cars are on it. Do not speed in the right lane so that you time it so you are across from entering vehicles.
Another rule to make things easy for Clover and clog up traffic.
So, to follow Clover’s rules, I would have to drive 55mph (or less) in the left most lane and nobody should pass me ever.
I don’t think I’ll do that. I prefer to live.
Brent, go get help. You have mental problems. Your last post backs up that fact.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
If you drove as you stated in the previous post, then you are probably driving within the law.
I have seen you write that you want people to die and/or shoot themselves. You have defended people that have driven contrary to how you claim to drive.
Just a few of the many times when you defend what you claim not to do.
Hazard Light Party
clover says: July 7, 2012 at 12:06 am
Motorcycle Crash
clover says: July 8, 2012 at 12:43 am
The Shove
clover says: July 11, 2012 at 11:45 pm
clover says: July 14, 2012 at 2:17 am
Mr. & Mrs. Clover
clover says: July 8, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Slow clover goes wide.
clover says: June 29, 2012 at 7:19 pm
clover says: July 3, 2012 at 12:37 am
A clover’s road
clover says: June 27, 2012 at 11:22 pm
clover says: June 28, 2012 at 10:23 am
clover says: June 29, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Another driver for Clover to defend.
clover says: February 29, 2012 at 2:36 am
clover says: February 29, 2012 at 2:38 am
clover says: March 1, 2012 at 3:32 am
right lane, left turn.
clover says: June 12, 2012 at 3:15 am
clover says: June 13, 2012 at 12:35 am
Turn Lane Clover.
clover says: April 3, 2012 at 2:41 am
No waiting…
clover says: June 5, 2012 at 1:09 am
clover says: June 5, 2012 at 1:32 am
clover says: June 5, 2012 at 2:12 am
clover says: June 5, 2012 at 2:51 am
Traffic Jam Ingredients
clover says: May 24, 2012 at 10:57 am
I still find you boring and immature.
You do not add anything constructive to this discussion.
Your use of violence and lack of facts towards others does not strengthen your position.
You need to go back under your bridge.
What do you think Mithandir? Which driver would you rather be on the road with?
Thanks mithrandir\Brent. I knew you were the same person. I just wanted to prove it. It all goes along with your mental illness. You need help. Your creation of another id to give you praise only backs up the mental illness symptoms that you have.
Expecting constant praise and admiration
Believing that you’re special and acting accordingly
Failing to recognize other people’s emotions and feelings
Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
Taking advantage of others
Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
You really need to stop projecting Clover. Those are your behaviors.
Expecting constant praise and admiration
Clover is looking for the gold star from the state for being obedient.
Believing that you’re special and acting accordingly
Clover has posted repeatedly that everyone else should yield to Clover. That Clover may pull out into traffic or change lanes as Clover sees fit and everyone else should make way.
Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
Clover expects other drivers to make way for Clover. Everyone should go along with Clover’s ideas. We see this in Clover’s language when people don’t go along with Clover’s idea. Clover insults people, uses violent language when people disagree with Clover.
Taking advantage of others
Seems to fit Clover’s driving to a tee. Clover takes advantage of the good nature and desire to avoid a crash that most people have to get ahead in traffic and not to wait until a sufficient gap appears.
Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
Clover’s use of insult, calling people stupid and worse combined with telling people to kill themselves, etc and so forth show this behavior.
Yes Brent I have finally seen the light. You have been right all along. We need more road rage and we need to take care of the people that get in our way. We need to use more road rage on people that do not use turn signals. We need 120 mph speed limits in Chicago to reduce traffic congestion. We are too strict on drunk driving. If we tailgate more there will be less congestion. We love you Brent.
Now with that said, Brent go get some professional help.
I see that once again you cannot formulate a proper response and resort to babble.
We love you Brent.
Go get some professional help and you can be even better.
Clover,
Are you admitting that you are more than one poster under your banner?
If no, than who are ‘we’?
I still find you boring and immature.
You do not add anything constructive to this discussion.
Your use of violence and lack of facts towards others does not strengthen your position.
You need to go back under your bridge.
mithrandir/Brent, go get some professional help today.