Cloverstan!
Posted on 04. Aug, 2012 by BrentP in Clover Patch
Clover believes we should all drive slow to allow other drivers to ignore the rules of right of way and not be delayed.
In this video from Russia many clovers don’t want to wait in the traffic jam so they will just use the oncoming lane and the oncoming lane’s shoulder! On coming traffic just has to avoid them. But they are going slow, so it’s safe!
Yes that is what happens in countries where people make their own decision how to get where they are going. Sounds like Brent. Anyone that drives dangerously and illegally and expects for others to look out for him has mental problems. Anyone that stands on their horn and always expects others to part the red sea for them needs to be in a mental institution or in jail.
Yes that is what happens in countries where people make their own decision how to get where they are going.
Exactly. Just like you have defended time and time again. Everyone else just has to go slow to avoid these drivers according to your arguments.
Clover, your accusation has no support.
All that driving shows is libertarian driving gone wild. It is exactly how you and Dom and Eric drive. Some of you say it is fine to pass in no passing zones. Some of you say it is fine to tailgate. Some of you say it is fine to pass very fast past other drivers in the right lane. Some of you say it is fine to stand on your horn half the time. Some of you say it is fine to come up behind someone and try to force them out of their lane. Some of you say it is fine to run red lights.
When it comes down to it the video showed libertarian freedoms gone wild. Let the driver decide what is right you would say. Well this video shows exactly that.
You complain about people breaking the laws but why is that? You and your libertarian friends say that anything goes because it is up to the driver to decide. You complain about minor things that in the end would make no difference but are all for road rage and endangering others. I guess it is the libertarian right to not have a clue what they really want except that the world and other drivers are supposed to revolve around them and other drivers are supposed to get the hell out of their way.
Look at that incoherent nonsense.
Libertarians are about not interfering with other people, since passes cannot be completed with out doing so in this video, libertarian it is not.
This video is an extension of your arguments on lane changes and lane usage. It is the ultimate expression of the principle that the other guy has to avoid. The principle you have argued time and time again. You’ve told me how many countless times that I had to avoid the other guy who makes random unsignaled and late signaled lane changes? Told me that I don’t ‘own’ the road in front of me and thus anyone may take that space at any time and has the right to do so? This is your argument come to life in a big way.
If the camera car’s driver had not been crawling along you’d be telling us how he was going to fast to react those other drivers.
All I can say Brent is drop dead please. You say libertarians are for “not interfering with other people” but it is obvious that you do so daily. I am all for following laws and proper lane usage but it is obvious that you do not. Your choice to only follow certain laws is endangering hundreds of people. That is interfering to the extreme. It does not matter to you if someone is doing something legally or not because your final excuse is that they get in your way or take up the lane that you were going to go into, because of your illegal driving in the first place. Often you should not even be where you are if you had been following laws and lane courtesy but your choice I guess outranks the choice of others. Your common complaint is that people are not using their turn signals correctly. If people are driving correctly around these people turn signals have almost no need.
You can complain all you want about other drivers but you need to clean up your own poor driving to begin with.
You say that you need to speed past other drivers and weave through traffic to save a couple of seconds. Every study that has been done on traffic and safety show that it is best to drive close to the same speed and never weave through traffic. You say that your normal drive is 9 miles. Why the hell do you have to be passing people all the time and weave through traffic when you have only 9 miles to go? You need to kill yourself for doing that.
You’re not just a troll, you’re an idiot and a dishonest one at that. You do not understand that changing lanes improperly and making the proper occupant of that lane avoid is the interference. A driver changing lanes should do so such that other drivers do not have to change course or speed. In driver’s ed that is what I was taught. When I screwed up and changed lanes (with a huge space) at the posted limit I was screamed at for not accelerating, for making another driver brake. The speed limit is irrelevant.
The rest of your post is just more of your same baseless charges and lies, one of which is:
“You say that you need to speed past other drivers and weave through traffic to save a couple of seconds.”
I have never stated any such thing. You’re a liar and an intentional one.
Brent again you need to kill yourself please so you do not injure and kill others.
In your drives ed class did they say not to tailgate, not to speed and not be a jerk on the road? I can not help it what you pick and choose and what you want to use from your drivers ed class because it is obvious that what you are choosing is not working for you. You do not have more rights than anyone else because you choose to drive illegally. The speed limit is relevant. If you choose to drive 15 to 20 mph faster than anyone else on one of the right lanes on an interstate than you can expect others to get in your way. Other drives should not be responsible for making a mistake just because there is someone breaking multiple laws coming up behind them.
In Germany you can drive faster than the recommended speed but if you are involved in an accident you can be partially or fully responsible for any damages that occur even if you did not initiate the accident.
If you choose to drive in a dangerous way on the road then it is up to you to keep out of an accident situation and not the one that is driving safely to be looking high and low for a jerk around them. I can care less if you drive in a dangerous manner as long as no other cars or trucks are around.
Look at Troll Clover scramble and dodge and change direction. It’s amusing.
What you call tailgating simply isn’t. Your definition of being a “jerk” is not accommodating people who a rude, don’t plan ahead, and/or even bother to signal their intent.
The speed limit is relevant. If you choose to drive 15 to 20 mph faster than anyone else on one of the right lanes on an interstate
This makes no sense. If the speed of other drivers is relevant then the speed limit isn’t and vice-versa.
In Germany you lazy drivers are at fault for your crappy lane changes etc.
Dangerous is changing lanes without looking or paying attention and/or expecting people to dodge you.
Clover,
So you mean do not drive in the manner that you promote/defend.
Go back under the bridge with your violence and need to control others. I would not be surprised if I hear your school state: Clover does not play well with others.
mithrandi leave until you come back with your views on poor driving. Your the biggest troll alive. Tell me what I believe in is wrong? Tell us why aggressive dangerous road rage driving is correct?
Clover, August 6, 2012 at 11:05 am
You are the one advocating violence to those that do not conform to what you think is correct driving.
You defend the poor driving of various drivers and expect/demand that those around the poor drivers make way and do anything possible to accommodate the poor drivers’ driving.
You have acted more as a troll than any other poster on this site.
Clover,
A good driver needs:
CONCENTRATION — Needs to focus on their driving.
DRIVE DEFENSIVELY. — Needs to anticipate the actions of those around them as much as possible.
SKILL. — The skill to actually drive a vehicle smoothly and efficiently.
ATTITUDE. — Try to stay calm and positive in all situations.
KNOWLEDGE. — Need to know the rules/laws of the road.
COURTESY. — Be considerate of others and expect them to do likewise.
mithrandir my other response was deleted. The truth does not count here. To sum it up, I agree with your last post. Try to get others to follow it.
There is a limit to the tolerance of your trolling and insults and baseless personal attack.
Clover,
I am not sure you notice that other people here, including BrentP, Dom, and Eric, are in favor of good driving by all people.
I think that people in general want good drivers and discourage lazy driving.
If lazy, inconsiderate driving is tolerated, then one can expect to see more lazy, inconsiderate driving.
I am not saying that the lazy driver should be driven off the road. If I am cut off and I happen to get close to the other car then so be it. If the lazy driver is made uncomfortable, perhaps he may be more considerate in the future and not cut off another driver.
One can be an example of good driving etiquette.
In short, do not be a nuisance to your fellow driver.
OK mithrandir, or is it Brent? You sound like Brent to me. Your type belongs in jail. I would rather have a lazy driver as you would say on the roadway than someone that says “If I am cut off and I happen to get close to the other car then so be it.” That is road rage and when you let road rage occur then you end up seeing more of it. Examples are on this site of guys getting out of their cars with ball bats ready in hand.
If there are too many lazy drivers out there then get police to stop them not your feeling that you will decide to endanger them and others. I have to laugh at you and the bunch that say cops are bad and out to injure or hurt everyone. That seldom happens but Brent’s examples make police look tame even the worst of them. There is no more inconsiderate of drivers than Brent is and you say that he is not lazy. He just drives dangerously on purpose which is far more dangerous than your so call lazy driver.
If you demand that people avoid you, you do not get to choose how they avoid you. Period. End of story. Your comfort isn’t part of the equation, and that’s all is impaired, your comfort.
You seem fixated on the comfort of lazy, selfish, and rude drivers. Drivers who destroy the comfort of other drivers. But you don’t stop there, you accuse the victims of poor driving of “road rage” if they aren’t absolutely and infinitely accommodating and happy about being cut off, having someone pull in front of them and force them to brake, etc and so forth. Any display of displeasure no matter how small you declare to be rage and socially unacceptable. And by small, this includes the most passive and calm activity of simply making a video of it and sharing it on this obscure website. In a heavily populated environment the level of tolerance and accommodation you demand is downright superhuman not to mention incredibly selfish of you and your kind.
What is socially unacceptable is the lazy, selfish, rude, parasitical behavior you and those like you display. You want their behavior rewarded, them made comfortable and thus there will be ever increasing numbers of rude, lazy, selfish, parasites. You’ve defended drivers who were too lazy to even signal!
I’ve nearly been killed by lazy drivers like you Clover. Not just once, but many times, and without any armor around me. I go out on the road in one of the most vulnerable vehicles there is, a bicycle. Because unlike for many of your kind my vehicle isn’t a phallic symbol. Lazy drivers have missed me by inches as they passed me and when I caught up to them I either find out they didn’t see me in broad daylight on an open road with multiple lanes and nobody else around or they did it on purpose because they feel I shouldn’t be using the road. You want to talk about rage Clover? What do you call someone who sees a bicyclist in the right lane of a four lane road and intentionally changes from the left to right lane to brush pass him only to arrive at a red signal first? What is that? What is the driver who crosses the double yellow line of a two lane road to play chicken with a bicyclist? Another one of your kind. Abusive, lazy, selfish, violent. I had a trucker blast an airhorn and pass me with THREE INCHES of space on a road, nearly sucking me under the wheels… for what? To get to a RED LIGHT first. A RED LIGHT. I caught up to him. He called it a courtesy honk. The nerve of you clovers never ceases to amaze me. A long blast followed by a brush pass that nearly results in my death has one message loud and clear: “Get the fuck off the road!”. Another one your kind, was incredibly slow off the line with his full size van when the light turned green. All the left lane traffic had passed through the intersection, so I pulled into the left lane with my bicycle and passed him. This guy then accelerated and tried to crush me against the curb!
But it doesn’t stop there Clover. Your kind has -hit- me while I walked on the sidewalk. They don’t ‘see’ me even though I am directly in front of them. One particular driver of your kind, an old man made a left turn at me as I walking past a parking lot driveway on the sidewalk. Nearly hit me with his mercury grand marquis. I touched his car. A little slap. As I jumped back to avoid being killed by this panther platform boat. The old man went into a violent rage, much like your words here. He got out of the car barely able to walk but wanting to fight. Then he realized that being 50 years older than me and barely able to walk might be a disadvantage. Others of your kind have gotten out of their cars to teach me a lesson when I’ve been bicycling, because after all, I didn’t “get the fuck off the road” when they commanded me to in those words. But in the end, they all figured out their fat selfish lazy asses wouldn’t stand a chance against someone who moves around under his own power and got back in their cars and drove away. What is it about your kind Clover, that you have to show such violence and rage to someone that appears smaller and weaker? Or just different? So intolerant and lazy that you can’t even make a simple lane change to the left to pass, but instead have enforce the clover law on bicyclists and pedestrians and instead move to the right to put a good fear into them and show them you’re boss. To make them bow to your suburban assault vehicles? I could go on all night with stories as bicyclist and pedestrian… Someone that if a motorist chooses, doesn’t have to have any interaction with. Just pass and go away.
I am sick and tired of you and your kind. You are violent, lazy, selfish, rude, rage filled parasites. You expect other people to take on all the burden and then when we don’t you decide to make us. You threaten us with collision if we don’t make way for you, or just follow your asinine made up rules that exist only in your own heads even if collision means death for us. You bullies don’t deserve the least bit of consideration or accommodation for your behaviors. You should all be shunned until you learn how to behave properly. Until you’re willing to put in the effort to live a society of mutual respect instead of violence.
I am done with even having any exchange with you Clover. You are scum. You are lower than scum. Absolutely despicable. I am tired of tirades of insults from you. Yes you’re trolling finally worked and you can orgasm over it. But this is the end. Posts directed at me will be deleted or ignored. You’re a violent despicable person and a waste of my energy.
Drop dead Brent is all I have to say. I started reading your post and it stood out with mental problems.
You say you are furious with “comfort of lazy, selfish, and rude drivers.” but you are on top of that list.
selfish: you say you own the road and everyone else is to get the hell out of your way even if they are driving lawfully.
lazy: you have the inability to let up on the gas even if it is a semi you will run into.
rude: None worse than you. You stand on your horn even when you are the one at fault. You speed up if you think someone might get in your lane. You speed in the right lane. The list goes on and on for this one,
Brent you have severe mental problems and one thing we know is that you are on the verge to go postal on the highway.
Maybe it all goes back to your bad experience in drivers ed class where you say you were scolded for getting in another drivers way. You now are trying to make up for it by speeding faster than other drivers so it is impossible for you to get in the way and you show road rage for people that do get in your way even though you caused them to with your poor driving.
I bet a million bucks you are going to kill someone on the highway unless you get some mental help.
Clover,
You really need to see an ophthalmologist and psychologist.
The way you twist the world to suit what you want is amazing. I guess you do not let the facts get in the way of telling your fabrication.
Your desire to control others is sad.
Your trolling is still boring, sophomoric and lacking in anything useful to this discussion.
You can take your million dollars and shove it.
mithrandir, leave. You contribute nothing. An example of a troll is someone that tries to cut down someone else without any facts or statements to back it up.
Clover,
Facts do not prevent you from wanting other people to kill themselves. When people try to have a discussion on different topics you tend to repeat your same mantra.
You seem to have a need for others to do as you wish all the time.
You twist the world to suit what you want.
Your desire to control others is sad.
Your trolling is still boring, sophomoric and lacking in anything useful to this discussion.
mithrandir the things that I believe in and people like you and Brent do not believe in is below. Do you think we need to get people off the road that do not believe in these?
CONCENTRATION — Needs to focus on their driving.
DRIVE DEFENSIVELY. — Needs to anticipate the actions of those around them as much as possible.
SKILL. — The skill to actually drive a vehicle smoothly and efficiently.
ATTITUDE. — Try to stay calm and positive in all situations.
KNOWLEDGE. — Need to know the rules/laws of the road.
COURTESY. — Be considerate of others and expect them to do likewise.
That is the most amazing clover video EVER! I think you have your geography wrong though. Looks a lot more like Cloverpatchistan.
This is a Clover Paradise.
That looks like Dom and Eric. They have the right to pass in no passing zones. Let everyone else look out for them.
*Laugh* You’re an idiot!
You may say I am an idiot but I am a correct idiot.
I believe you’re a proper idiot and more…
Dom at least I am against the driving in this video. You are all for it. You are all for drivers choice. When you are all for drivers choice then you get the kind of driving in this video.
@clover says: August 6, 2012 at 11:12 am:
Where is your proof?
I do not think I have seen anyone (not even you) promote driving on the wrong side of the road.
mithrandir if you want proof then ask Dom and Eric. No passing zones mean nothing to them. When there are two lane roads with no passing zones Eric and Dom in effect drive on the wrong side of the road. No difference from this video.
Clover,
There is a difference.
People are permitted to pass on the wrong side of the road.
People are not permitted to drive on the wrong side of the road.
You may not think that some people are passing properly, but that is another issue.
mithrandir passing in no passing zones is driving on the wrong side of the road. It is just one example of what some say that their rights are while others say tailgating is OK and you believe that road rage is fine. Some say that weaving through traffic is their option and some say that cutting someone off from behind where people that are changing lanes legally is OK. Some say that not moving over for merging traffic and trying to prevent drivers from merging or exiting a road gets them bonus points.
Where do you think we should stop with individual freedom of choice? You say that some road rage is fine. Brent brought up that he showed road rage by hitting another drivers car with his hand. The driver exited his car and went after Brent. That is just an example of what happens when you start road rage and what can happen to you when you do. Would you say if Brent hit my car really hard to cause a dent that I would then have the right to get out of my car with a tire iron and hit his hand so hard that he could not hit another car? When do you think it should stop? I would say stop it at the first instance of road rage by putting the guy in jail.
Clover,
You really need to see an ophthalmologist and psychologist.
The way you twist the world to suit what you want is amazing. I guess you do not let the facts get in the way of telling your fabrication.
Your desire to control others is sad.
Your trolling is still boring, sophomoric and lacking in anything useful to this discussion.
You can stop putting words in my mouth.
I wonder where on the scale of sociopaths a person has to be to consider touching someone’s car to be an unreasonable response, reaction to nearly being run over, and/or to avoid being run over while siding with person who would intentionally drive a 4000+lb car directly at pedestrian, forcing the pedestrian to save himself.
I was told there is a test of sociopaths regarding intentionally running over a helpless animal. I think it may be a valid method.
Brent along with your mental problems you are a liar. You say you just touched the car and the guy got furious at you? Do you believe people are that stupid to believe that? Do you think if you just touched the car that the guy would even know that you did it? You hit the car.
Troll, It’s amazing how you know what happens when you aren’t even present!
Would you consider someone who is so damn intent on getting into a grocery store parking lot that he is willing to run down a pedestrian normal? Of course you would, such selfish sociopathic control freak behavior is normal for your kind. Your kind thinks people shouldn’t walk or bike. Just drive. Only poor people walk and bike. I’ve met your kind. I have a neighbor who considered my bicycling making it look ‘poor’ when I first moved in. And since I wasn’t driving your kind considers me no more than potential road kill. Just another squirrel or possum. It’s all about the animal domination to your kind. That’s why this guy drove the biggest ass Mercury his social security check could get him.
No damage was done to his car, and only a sociopath on par with that driver would consider it unreasonable to touch a car, to slap it, or even kick the door in while pushing off/jumping back to avoid being run over. Troll, karma is a bitch, and maybe you’ll get the chance to see how you react when you are walking along and some driver guns it and turns across your path a half inch from your toes while you still have forward momentum.
BrentP do you think the guy was trying to run you over? Well maybe he was if before that you were acting like your normal jerk self. Yes you are a guy with road rage and mental problems would. If there were more people like you around there is no doubt i would have to start carrying a ball bat or have a tire iron ready. There is no doubt about it that if you hit my car on purpose then you would be on the ground with a good swat like you said you did to the car. That is what road rage is and starts. We need your kind in jail.
Clover the troll sides with someone who would run down pedestrians. That says everything anyone ever needs to know about Clover. Clover endorses accelerating hard to force a pedestrian to jump back instead of waiting. Clover then would beat the pedestrian with a weapon for touching its car when trying to save himself from being run down.
There’s a reason I told that story Clover. It is also why I posted again with regards to what you blathered forth. It was for you to bring your true self into the open. For you to show what a violent rage filled murderous person you are. A person who would murder a pedestrian rather than wait a few seconds.
Oh and as to me Clover, you haven’t got the balls to try it yourself, well without the protection of car anyway.
You know Brent, maybe the guy guy would have done the world a favor. I have seen absolutely nothing good with your driving or your rage. If it was back at the time of the constitution you would have been hung from the nearest tree.
Clover doubles down on favoring murdering pedestrians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2x7gHxQYYE
I would say a Brent would be worth about 10,000 points and an automatic win.
It is of no surprise you advocate murder.
The writers of “Death Race 2000″ based their vision of the future on the thirst of people like yourself for murder. How your kind would enjoy watching it on television.
I’ve said this before, but it doesn’t seem to sink in. Clover, I am not entertained–you’ve got to up your game. I swear you copy/past your posts.
Please come up with something more innovative than “Brent, go kill yourself”. I come to this site to see videos of idiots and fools and to read interesting comments. Your comments are not interesting nor are they entertaining. I’ve seen epic trolling, yours is not. UP YOUR GAME. I want to pop popcorn and watch some DRAMA.
So Damon, if you say you come here often do you like Brent’s driving? Should we have more of that? I never see anything close to what Brent does on a daily basis. Do you think we need more of it?
So if you do not come to read my posts do you come to read the posts of someone like Brent that clearly has mental problems. A person with road rage and very poor driving?
Do you think everyone needs to drive and act like Brent?
Do I like Brent’s driving? “Like” has nothing to do with it. I neither like it, nor dislike it.
Should we have “more of Brent’s driving”? This implies a value judgment on his driving behavior, something I’m not going to provide as I do not think I can evaluate his performance from videos he has posted demonstrating other people’s behavior.
Now, as to whether or not I’ve seen anything “close to what Brent does on a daily basis”. No, I generally don’t see folks driving around with cameras on recording. However, I have seen a lot of examples of bad driving similar to what he has posted on this site.
I’ve stated why I visit this website, so answering your question on why I visit this site is redundant.
Again, your last comments / questions imply value judgments which I’m not going to comment on for the reasons I stated above.
OK damon, what does it take for you to evaluate someone? You can not tell from the videos how Brent handles himself around other drivers? You must be partially blind. There is no question about Brent’s driving if you look at two or three of the videos.
Oh, rest assured clover, I’ve already formed an opinion of Brent’s driving, and yours, I just choose not to express it. I’ve explained why I visit this site already.
Just curious what you think of my driving? If it is hard for you to determine Brent’s driving with dozens of examples, how do you determine my driving with no examples?
If people do not follow the laws, then they risk tickets, increased insurance costs, a ultimately losing their license.
If I jump in front of an oncoming truck: I can not fault the truck driver if, in his attempt to stop his truck and avoid running me over, he taps me with the front bumper and knocks me over.
I need to take responsibility for causing the situation where the truck hit me.
Yet you defend someone jumping in to traffic and put all responsibility on those in traffic to avoid he collision.
(clover says: June 5, 2012 at 1:09 am
You even want some one killed.
Is this considered part of your COURTESY?
This reply was for clover.
Yes it is everyone’s responsibility to try to avoid accidents and what Brent should be avoiding to drive dangerously to create accident situations.
Almost every video that Brent has shown, he should not have been where he was if he was even coming close to any of our laws. It should not be the reprehensibility of others to continually look out for unlawful and dangerous drivers coming from behind them or even other lanes because those drivers choose to drive dangerously. If you are driving dangerously and not following many laws is it not your responsibility to avoid other people and accident situations?
It is not the responsibility of someone driving responsibly to need to get the hell out of the way of a guy that says he owns the road. Guys like that only deserve their share of the road and should not be allowed to control others even as they say others are controlling them. Guys like Brent expect others to change their driving just because he should not be where he is in the first place.
There’s cloverism in a nutshell. No responsibility. Everyone else has to do the work.
Clover, find a semi truck that is speeding. Easy anyplace there is a 55mph or lower interstate speed limit. Then change lanes immediately in front of it doing the minimum speed. Try it. Then give the cop your argument above.
If you live, the cop will ticket you.
So try it troll, don’t just drive to anger people, test your principles. Put yourself on the line.